[whereagles]

Jlall, on Nov 15 2005, 08:09 PM, said:

As for "preempting partner" I do not believe in this theory.

If you're playing sound openings, the self-preemption effect is minimal. But as you increase the randomness of the preempt, self-preemption becomes visible.

Whether or not it is important is another matter. But it is there.

[kenrexford]

On a bigger note, why on earth overcall 1H on trash? Do you like being forced to lead away from your heart suit? Do you like transferring the likely spade contract to the likely stronger opener? Do you like allowing the opponents to define 4S and 5+S hands immediately?

In my humble opinion, 1min-1H should be an opener. Otherwise, bid 2H or pass. So, 1S as forcing, in this context, makes sense.

Now, using that approach, you could treat 1S as sort-of like a forcing 1NT. With a fit, raise spades. With no fit but a club stopper, bid 1NT. Or, you could bid a minor with the same length requirements for that minor call as if the auction had been 1H-P-1NT-P-? Or, 4+ for the other minor, anything else for Opener's minor.

Rebidding 2H on trash is insanity repeated.

[han]

kenrexford, on Nov 17 2005, 04:07 PM, said:

In my humble opinion, 1min-1H should be an opener.

I agree as long as I'm allowed to open very light when I overcall....

[luke warm]

i voted 'other' because i think it shows 6 cards but i don't know why it has to be 11+ points... if 1s is 100% forcing and i'm 1=6=3=3 what else am i to do with a typical 8/9 count?

[awm]

What does partner's 1♠ show? I think partner will usually bid this with five spades, so it could be a decent hand, or it could just be some hand with 5-1-4-3 or something shape.

If partner can have something like a six-count with five spades, I'm not real happy bidding 2♥ on a bad suit opposite a possible misfit. This is actually even worse than bidding 2♥ initially with my hand, since now opponents doubles will be penalty and they are less likely to be preempted out of a spade fit. Similarly I'm not happy bidding 3♥ on a minimum opener -- couldn't we have 18-20 points and no fit on this auction? Why jeopardize my plus position?

With a hand like the one Justin gives (xx KTxxxx Axx xx) I'll try a 2♦ rebid. Most of the time partner corrects to hearts anyway, and if partner passes we may be in the best spot. The problem is that if I rebid 2♥ we're pretty much going to play in hearts. I also don't like the idea of rebidding 3♥ on xx AKJxxx Axx xx, preferring my jump rebids to look more like 15-16 points (much like a 1♥..3♥ sequence after opening).

[awm]

As for passing:

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If I pass, LHO bids 1♠ and RHO bids 2♠. Surely I'm not bidding now when LHO is still unlimited and I have to come in at the three-level. And I wouldn't expect partner to find a balance on a flat 13 with three spades.

So we get to defend 2♠, which we can hold to eight tricks on best defense. Of course, partner may not find the ♦K/♥A lead and try a trump or a club, in which case opponents make three. Rather poor compensation for our making 4♥ game, wouldn't you say?

[han]

xx KTxxxx Axx xx is a light opener for me when I overcall.

[Fluffy]

luke warm, on Nov 18 2005, 12:14 AM, said:

i voted 'other' because i think it shows 6 cards but i don't know why it has to be 11+ points... if 1s is 100% forcing and i'm 1=6=3=3 what else am i to do with a typical 8/9 count?

With a typical 1633 8/9 you bid 2♥ previous round jimmy

[luke warm]

Fluffy, on Nov 18 2005, 12:24 PM, said:

luke warm, on Nov 18 2005, 12:14 AM, said:

i voted 'other' because i think it shows 6 cards but i don't know why it has to be 11+ points... if 1s is 100% forcing and i'm 1=6=3=3 what else am i to do with a typical 8/9 count?

With a typical 1633 8/9 you bid 2♥ previous round jimmy

lol... in that case let's change it to 6=1=3=3