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Your RHO opened 1C as this is a bit too much for 1 level overcall so you first double, partner bid 1D and RHO bid 2C, what do you bid now ?
2♠ - simple showing my suit
D - spades arent good enough I have nice hearts, i would be happy with pass over 2C D, and would correct 2H to 2S.

[000002]

Pass is my indeed choice

[pbleighton]

2S seems clear.

Peter

[mike777]

Prefer 1s first bid then x.
If I must x first then x on second bid please.

Why 1s? If partner cannot make some kind of noise then I doubt we have game.

[000002]

hi friends.
I explain my pass with this example:

1♣=dbl=pass=1♦
2♣=pass=pa=2♦/♥
pass=2♠

what 2♠ discover?
p/c? or game inviting?

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000002, on Nov 12 2005, 09:53 PM, said:

hi friends.
I explain my pass with this example:

1♣=dbl=pass=1♦
2♣=pass=pa=2♦/♥
pass=2♠

what 2♠ discover?
p/c? or game inviting?

not sure this is even possible but it will sure wont show a good hand.
But tell me this
1♣ D P 1♦
2♣ P P P
Why did i get +100 when all the other got +450 ?

[Gerben42]

2♠ now. Would have preferred 1♠ followed by dbl. It's an 18-count but not a great one. Partner does not have a ♥ fit for us, he bid 1♦ remember?

[Kalvan14]

True, a bad 19. IMHO, there must be a limit to the honor strength of a simple overcall. With this hand, the only possible sequence is first X, then 2S. We live in the real world, not all the bids come straight out of the Bridge Encyclopedia

[Gerben42]

I said 18 because even for an 18-count it looks bad

[cherdano]

To those who start with 1♠, then double: Do you play the second double as showing a maximum? I would understand it as takeout, promising extras of course, but more likely a 5=4=3=1 14-count than a balanced 18 (sorry 19) count.

Arend

[000002]

Let me create 2 hands to you:)

xx
xxx
A10xxx
xxx can make 2♠ up?

Qxx
xxx
Axxxx
xx mb 4♠,but why lose?


regards

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000002, on Nov 13 2005, 06:08 AM, said:

Let me create 2 hands to you:)

xx
xxx
A10xxx
xxx  can make 2♠ up?

Qxx
xxx
Axxxx
xx    mb 4♠,but why lose?


regards

First your examples arent too convincing because they dont have a problem with bidding 2S now, you even showed that you have a nice chance of making 2S and 4S(2S isnt forcing), but even if you were right these hands could suggest bidding 1S instead of the intial double, as many others here suggested , this is a matter of style and for that partnership this hand was just a bit too much for a a 1 level overcall.
If you didnt bid 1S first then you cant pass now, you didnt show what you have.
you showed 12 hcp wiht all around hand usually no 5 card especially not a major one and what u got is 19 hcp with 5 spades, not really helpful to get or copete to the right contract.

[Blofeld]

I'd rather bid 1♠ at first, but I'm going to bid 2♠ now if I doubled.

[Robert]

Hello everyone

After doubling with this hand, I would bid 2S over 2Cs.

This manificent 19HCP hand does have six losers and a fairly weak main suit.

My normal style is to overcall with this hand. How often will it go p-p-p and you have missed game?

Competitive bridge has a wide assortment of ways to bid. Doubles, weak jump shifts, weak jump raises, 'mixed raises', negative 'free bids' in addition to normal raises.

You will rarely be passed out 'if' you have a possible game. If you play standard methods, opener is virtually certain to reopen with a double 'unless' he holds spade length. If he does hold spade length, do you really think that you have missed anything?

Don't your current methods have several ways for partner to support your overcall with @ 6-9 dummy points and xxx? My partner would cuebid with 10 dummy points and 3 card support.

I jump raise a major overcall with 4 trumps and about 7-9 dummy points. With 4 trumps and 'mixed' values, partner could make a 'mixed' raise 'jump cuebid.'

Since LHO did not bid and RHO also managed to 'only' bid 2Cs. If you rebid 2Ss, partner may have an easy raise to game.

If you pass here(after first doubling?) the bidding could indeed sometimes end
with us missing a game. Was partner supposed to bid a Kxx spade suit in passout seat after you doubled and later passed a 2C rebid by opener?

Regards,
Robert

[han]

I prefer 1S followed by a double. I would never double with this hand so I abstain.

[Winstonm]

The only reason to double first is to show a hand too strong for a 1-level overcall.
I can comfortably bid 2S now and then subside, having shown all my hand. Actually, it's rather lucky to be able to adequately describe my hand at the 2-level in a competetive auction. If RHO had bid 3C my hand is a lot harder to describe.

Winston

[inquiry]

Abstain... as I would not double on the first round... I would have overcalled 1♠

[FrancesHinden]

I also would have overcalled 1S on the first round.
It may have 19 HCP, but it has nothing like the playing strength that I consider is necessary for double-then-bid.

However, if I decide double is correct on the first round then I have to bid 2S now.