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8♣ was the winning lead here, not “4th best from your longest and strongest”
I see that you are sitting over the ♥ with A,Q and your partner has probably less than 3, what else indicates a different lead from the norm.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 20:06
8♣ was the winning lead here, not “4th best from your longest and strongest”
I see that you are sitting over the ♥ with A,Q and your partner has probably less than 3, what else indicates a different lead from the norm.
tyia
jb
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Posted 2005-November-11, 20:27
i'd still lead a low heart ... it didn't work this time, but them's the breaks
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Posted 2005-November-11, 23:04
A lot depends on what 3N meant. I would ask, but I think that most good players would hold a long, solid ♦ suit and the ♥K. My stiff ♠K looks bad for the good guys as does my ♦ holding.
I would expect the opps to run 7-8 tricks (6-7♦ and 1 or 2♠, or more) should I give them a cheap ♥.
Is that enough to persuade me to lead a ♣, and, if so, which ♣? I wish you had not posted the 'winning' lead, since it is impossible to answer without bias. Even if you are sure that you have discounted the info, the truth is that all you may have done is lean too far the other way. One cannot unring a bell.
All I can say in honesty is that on the auction, assuming that I was told 3N = long ♦ or 'no agreement' or 'bridge, mister', I would consider a ♣: and if I were to lead a ♣, I think the 8 is best.
I would expect the opps to run 7-8 tricks (6-7♦ and 1 or 2♠, or more) should I give them a cheap ♥.
Is that enough to persuade me to lead a ♣, and, if so, which ♣? I wish you had not posted the 'winning' lead, since it is impossible to answer without bias. Even if you are sure that you have discounted the info, the truth is that all you may have done is lean too far the other way. One cannot unring a bell.
All I can say in honesty is that on the auction, assuming that I was told 3N = long ♦ or 'no agreement' or 'bridge, mister', I would consider a ♣: and if I were to lead a ♣, I think the 8 is best.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 23:12
Mike, did you miscount their tricks? 1-2 spades + 6-7 diamonds + ♥K looks like 8-10 tricks to me for them.
I think I would have led a club at the table, and I think Mike would have, too. We need to cash 5 tricks, and if partner has the ♣A, we have a pretty good chance to do so by starting with a low club (needs ♣JT or ♥J or so with partner).
As for the general principle: This is a bit like leading against a gambling 3NT. You lead aces against that, not 4th best from your longest, because you need to cash tricks immediately before opponents run their minor.
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I think I would have led a club at the table, and I think Mike would have, too. We need to cash 5 tricks, and if partner has the ♣A, we have a pretty good chance to do so by starting with a low club (needs ♣JT or ♥J or so with partner).
As for the general principle: This is a bit like leading against a gambling 3NT. You lead aces against that, not 4th best from your longest, because you need to cash tricks immediately before opponents run their minor.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 02:52
Thanks, this was an indy - the majority of the field led a ♥ for 3N+2or3 only 2 tables found the ♣ lead for -3.
Iwasnt so much wanting to know what is the best lead but the thinking behind the ♣ lead.
jb
Iwasnt so much wanting to know what is the best lead but the thinking behind the ♣ lead.
jb
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Bridge should be fun!
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"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
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