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Simple overcall or heavy preempt? K Qxx KQJ8xxx KJ

Poll: Matchpoints. 3rd seat, both vul. K Qxx KQJ8xxx KJ. P 1C ? (39 member(s) have cast votes)

Matchpoints. 3rd seat, both vul. K Qxx KQJ8xxx KJ. P 1C ?

  1. 1D (19 votes [48.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.72%

  2. 2D (1 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

  3. 3D (17 votes [43.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.59%

  4. Other (2 votes [5.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.13%

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#1 User is offline   kfgauss 

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Posted 2005-November-11, 18:13

Playing matchpoints in a club game, you pick up K Qxx KQJ8xxx KJ in 3rd seat with both vulnerable. Partner passes and righty bids 1C. Your bid?

If you'd make a simple overcall, which high cards would you have to remove to preempt? If you'd preempt, how much more would you need to make a simple overcall?

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Posted 2005-November-11, 18:30

1D. without the HQ or CK I would bid 3D. I like heavy preempting opposite a passed hand to keep everyone guessing, but this one just has too much potential imo (even without the SK).
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Posted 2005-November-11, 18:30

With 7 semisolid ♦ I will just go for: 3♦. I would not bid this if partner was not a passed hand. To bid 1♦ instead of preempting with such long ♦ I'd need a hand that can reasonably find a partner hand to make 3NT. Here, partner needs just too much.

I hope my preempt helps either to let them miss 4♠ or guess all or most of the finesses wrong.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 12:10

Probably 3♦ - If pard has the perfect 10 count where we make 3N, I'll apologize. The short spades tip the scale toward preemption and away from a constructive auction.

A 1N overcall looks fun too :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-November-12, 13:01

Nothing wrong about applying extra pressure by altering third seat bids to a degree - but this hand is too much for 3D and an ugly 1D so I vote for the applying maximum pressure and open 4D.

If everyone has to guess, let's guess real high.

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Sorry, forgot to answer your other question. I'm a preemptor so to be worth an overcall I'd only have to rearrange the cards some. Kx, x, KQJxxxx, KQJ - of course less would still be fine: xxx, x, KQJxxxx, KQx. The preempting starts when I hit: xxx, x, KQJxxxx, Kxx.

Someone really needs to write a treatise on O/D ratio and quantify it.

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Posted 2005-November-12, 16:05

3♦, in third seat I like to prepare lil traps for oppos. 1♦ would not be really signifcant bid: no pre-emption, and while it's safe I doubt it will be a useful lead.

To bid 1♦, I'd like to change 2 outside K into Aces
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Posted 2005-November-13, 01:12

obvious 3D bid for me :)
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Posted 2005-November-17, 16:15

3♦, pd needs perfect hand for us to make 3 NT, mine never have them.
But this is again why I love to play 10-12 NT, now I "know" almost for sure pd can't have any hand for me to make 3NT.

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Posted 2005-November-17, 16:31

I think this hand is very close indeed, I voted for 3D. Without the stiff spade king my 3D bid would be clear, and move the little ones around a little bit and 1D would be clear.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-November-18, 02:43

3♦ too
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Posted 2005-November-18, 02:59

2♣ - majors
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Posted 2005-November-18, 05:06

Take away one King, 3D.

The main problem is, that because you
have 15HCP, they may not have anything.

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Posted 2005-November-18, 06:31

As P has passed I will prempt with 3♦
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Posted 2005-November-18, 13:14

Pard has passed, I have 15 hcp and RHO just opened.......I can walk the hand, cause wherever they end up, I can show my values this way.....the pre-empt (hey, I CAN rebid after an overcall, can't I?) gets us to the right level perhaps, but not the right way......
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