[Flame]

p 1H 2C 2S 3C 4S 5C 5D D RD 5NT 6S

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bidding is a bid complex wiht potentially many mistakes but what important is south opened 1H his partnr showed 10+ with 5 spades, was 4S overbid or ok bid ? oer 4S should north try for slam or grand slam like he did ?

[Gerben42]

More readable auction:

N E S W
- Pass 1♥ 2♣
2♠ 3♣ 4♠ 5♣
5♦ Dbl Rdbl Pass
5NT Pass 6♠ Pass
Pass Pass

(assume there were two passes?)

[Gerben42]

It's okay for North to try for slam, but then South must hit the brakes. Hard.
Blame goes to South.

[Flame]

Gerben42, on Nov 11 2005, 08:07 AM, said:

It's okay for North to try for slam, but then South must hit the brakes. Hard.
Blame goes to South.

make sense, if 5D is a cue checking for slam then RD is kind of showing extra, but does 5D at this aution is a cue or a natural bid ? and if its a natural bid does redouble show intrest in slam or intrest in playing 5D ?
and if you can say somehing about 4S i would really aprichate it , should south bid only 3S ?

[FrancesHinden]

South didn't appear to have looked very hard at his hand.

1♥: well, it's not actually an opening bid (horrible 11-count, no aces, no pips in hearts) unless I'm in a limited opening bid system.

4♠: why does South suddenly think he has extras? I know most 4-card spade support hands would raise to game, but it's not compulsory. Let's check - yes, still have no heart pips, still have no aces. Looks like a 3♠ bid.


Rdbl: OK, it shows second round diamond control, but I'd want to put the brakes on hard at this point.

Trying for slam on the North hand was fine. Opposite a real 4S bid and slam try with the redouble it should have had fair play (change the HK into the HA for example and it's cold.)

[luke warm]

i voted 70% south... i don't like north's 6S (why not double 5nt?) but i like south's xx even less, 5S might be better.. north's 5D bid was nice (double would be penalty and he should act with 3 clubs i think)

1h (2c) 2s (3c) 4c (5c) 5d (x) 5s and double anything they do

[Kalvan14]

S shares most of the guilt: 4♠ and then XX over 5♦X is a bit too much for a minimum aceless hand.
N overbid a bit with 5N.

[Fluffy]

South failed to make a slam try when 4♣ was avaible. Then norht decided to try for slam without ♣ control, and after a confuse redouble he decided to bid 6 when he had shown more than enough whathe was having. All for north.

[IanPayn]

I blame East/West. Who knew they were saving with such defensive values? Having said that, I suppose South might shoulder some of the responsibility, having overbid like a madman.

[Flame]

I was south
Opening is normal by rule of 20.
4S is normal having a game vs most 10+ 5 spades hands, i didnt bid 4C which doesnt show much more than that.
The mistake was thev redouble of 5!D, I didnt know what is 5!D and i bet at the table most player wont know , i took it as natural showing a second suit probebly 5-5 and redouble just to say i like this spot.(which again i agree is a mistake)
I didnt think my redouble showed extra's and invite slam.
I guess many would bid like me even many of those who give me heavly critisize the bid, if i have posted only my hand and the bidding (i wish now that i did that)
Thanks all for your responses.

[beatrix45]

IMO, the key bad bid was 4♠ with that aceless wonder. Partner now has become the main enemy, sniffing at slam despite his lack of a secondary heart fit.

Consider how the world looked from North's perspective. Thirteen working HCP and a stiff heart opposite club shortness with no wasted club cards - in the ball park of 15 or so playing 'points' with pard advertising similar strength. This is NOT enough to warrant bidding the slam, but if pard has a max with controls, the situation looks attractive (remember, North thinks South has at least a king more than he actually has).

Now, partner's redouble of 5♦ shows the diamond king and a keen interest in bidding six. Of course, North accepts.

South's bidding was terrible. He needs to learn that good slam bidding is conversational. Dorothy Hayden (Truscott) wrote a good book explaining all this about 20 years ago. Still a good read.

[HeartA]

Flame, on Nov 11 2005, 08:21 AM, said:

Gerben42, on Nov 11 2005, 08:07 AM, said:

It's okay for North to try for slam, but then South must hit the brakes. Hard.
Blame goes to South.

make sense, if 5D is a cue checking for slam then RD is kind of showing extra, but does 5D at this aution is a cue or a natural bid ? and if its a natural bid does redouble show intrest in slam or intrest in playing 5D ?
and if you can say somehing about 4S i would really aprichate it , should south bid only 3S ?

It doesn't matter whatever 5D was. South's hand barely qualified for opening, and ♥K was likely a wasted card. rdbl was the cause for the overbid. South should pass.

[Al_U_Card]

Another case for Flannery......uh oh. 2D-3C-4S-5C-p-p-5S and out. no misunderstandings possible.

[bearmum]

Flame, on Nov 12 2005, 01:53 AM, said:

p 1H 2C 2S 3C 4S 5C 5D D RD 5NT 6S

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bidding is a bid complex wiht potentially many mistakes but  what important is south opened 1H his partnr showed 10+ with 5 spades, was 4S overbid or ok bid ? oer 4S should north try for slam or grand slam like he did ?

IMO 4♠ was a COMPLETE overbid -- bid 3♠ and then N/S NEVER go looking for slam

BUT as S bid 4♠ then over the 5♦(assume it's a a slam try?) DOUBLED S should IMHO just bid 5♠