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Lets say a 4th seat weak 2 shows 11-15 (roughly) and a 6 bagger.
What would 1 major - 1x - 2 major mean? Has anyone considered the differentiations in these two auctions? Seems there should be something - maybe the slower auction shows a poor suit.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 11:49
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Posted 2005-October-31, 11:59
pclayton, on Oct 31 2005, 12:49 PM, said:
Lets say a 4th seat weak 2 shows 11-15 (roughly) and a 6 bagger.
What would 1 major - 1x - 2 major mean? Has anyone considered the differentiations in these two auctions? Seems there should be something - maybe the slower auction shows a poor suit.
What would 1 major - 1x - 2 major mean? Has anyone considered the differentiations in these two auctions? Seems there should be something - maybe the slower auction shows a poor suit.
That is possible.
Another idea is 2h or 2s shows one suited hand in fourth seat.
Now you can have 1Major=something=2Major show 6-4(minor) with the 4 card minor suit being "weakish"
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Posted 2005-October-31, 12:42
With some partners I play 2M as 12-14 with 6+M in 4th seat. We use 1M-...-2M as 15-17, and jumps with absolute maximums.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 12:49
I would never open 2M in fourth with a 15 count: not even a good 14. That is too much range in playing strength for a 2-level opener. I play 2M as 10-bad 13.
This allows 1M 2M to be good 13-terrible 16, with great 15's and good 16's being shown by 1M 3M, as if in 1st or 2nd.
The wide range aproach makes responder's valuation difficult: if he has to cater to 15 counts, he must commit to the 3-level to investigate game and that may be too high on minimums. And, of course, the wider the range for space-consuming actions, the more guesswork becomes involved. I prefer to minimize guesswork on constructive sequences.
BTW, to play 2M as 12-14 and 1M 2M as 15-17 means that you must pass in 4th seat with KJ10xxx AKx xx xx (nah, you'd upgrade, so make it QJ10xxx AKx xx xx) and I cannot believe that passing this hand is winning bridge in the long run.
This allows 1M 2M to be good 13-terrible 16, with great 15's and good 16's being shown by 1M 3M, as if in 1st or 2nd.
The wide range aproach makes responder's valuation difficult: if he has to cater to 15 counts, he must commit to the 3-level to investigate game and that may be too high on minimums. And, of course, the wider the range for space-consuming actions, the more guesswork becomes involved. I prefer to minimize guesswork on constructive sequences.
BTW, to play 2M as 12-14 and 1M 2M as 15-17 means that you must pass in 4th seat with KJ10xxx AKx xx xx (nah, you'd upgrade, so make it QJ10xxx AKx xx xx) and I cannot believe that passing this hand is winning bridge in the long run.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 14:01
Absolutely agree with all that Mikeh said.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 14:43
Agree with Han.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 14:45
If you open in 4th and declare it,you have to make for it to pay (you could have passed.There is also a difference between hts and spades.With spades you are supposed to get into an auction with 5 or 6 spades with as little as 8 or 9 points.But if you have that little maybe one spade hedges your bet even with 6 spades.But if partner then bids 1nt forcing you would have to bid 2s (you wouldn't pass 1n with 9pts and 6 spades or would you?). Well basically I open 2M in 4th with 12-14Hcp and 6M instead of 1M-2M when I think there is no game opposite partners 11hcp with an outside 5card suit .Stuart
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Posted 2005-October-31, 15:24
cherdano, on Oct 31 2005, 03:43 PM, said:
Agree with Han.
Well thank you Arend, I agree with you too.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-October-31, 19:14
As an interesting follow up, what would you play 3M as in 4th seat playing (1) teams and (2) pairs?
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Posted 2005-November-01, 13:53
pclayton, on Oct 31 2005, 05:49 PM, said:
Lets say a 4th seat weak 2 shows 11-15 (roughly) and a 6 bagger.
What would 1 major - 1x - 2 major mean? Has anyone considered the differentiations in these two auctions? Seems there should be something - maybe the slower auction shows a poor suit.
What would 1 major - 1x - 2 major mean? Has anyone considered the differentiations in these two auctions? Seems there should be something - maybe the slower auction shows a poor suit.
Perhaps I like strong two at 4th position.
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