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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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  Posted 2005-October-27, 15:55

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After West passes, your partner opens the bidding, and it goes (uncontested):
1-2-3

Partner's 3 showed a solid suit, and a little bit more (no gambling preempt).

What is your bidding strategy? Do you blast to 7? or 6? Or do you try to find out whether to play 5m or 6m? Or 3NT or 5m?

Finally and most important, does it depend on whether you are commentating, or trying to win a world championship? :P

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P.S.: Sorry for having a little fun at the commentators, but they treated the players way worse than I am treating them here...
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Posted 2005-October-27, 16:08

3S
So far no problem
My next bid may be tricky but will bid 4d over 3nt or 5d over 4d.

BTW if partner rebids 4h over 3s that is kickback for D suit.

Will not blast to 6 or 7d and hope for non heart lead.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 16:13

not gonna psyche a cuebid or blast anywhere. Just 3S for me.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 16:26

Jlall, on Oct 28 2005, 12:13 AM, said:

not gonna psyche a cuebid or blast anywhere. Just 3S for me.

What do you do over 3NT from partner?
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Posted 2005-October-27, 16:30

It is difficult to comment, knowing all four hands. All I can say is: nice lead Justin! (Hackett)
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-October-27, 16:37

cherdano, on Oct 27 2005, 05:26 PM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 28 2005, 12:13 AM, said:

not gonna psyche a cuebid or blast anywhere. Just 3S for me.

What do you do over 3NT from partner?

4C...still waiting for that cue pard :P
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Posted 2005-October-27, 16:58

3 and if partner bids 3N, I am torn between 4 and 4. I think that 4 is best: if partner has promised a solid suit, he can assume that 4 is not an effort to play in but is a cue-bid. Thus he can and should safely cue 4 with either the K or the Ace. With a weaker player, I'd be tempted to bid 4 to really emphasize my interest in the suit.

Problem: is 4N by me over 4 keycard or an offer to play 4N: ie a quantitative move? I think keycard, because with the other possibility, I would usually raise 3N to 4N, and it would make little sense, after forcing a cue-bid, to make a passable call.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 17:04

After 1-2-3-3-3NT-4, partner will bid 4. Pick your favorite meaning of 4NT in this auction if you need.
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  Posted 2005-October-27, 17:07

Sweetness. :-)
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Posted 2005-October-27, 17:23

cherdano, on Oct 27 2005, 06:04 PM, said:

After 1-2-3-3-3NT-4, partner will bid 4. Pick your favorite meaning of 4NT in this auction if you need.

Yikes...looks like pard has QJx of hearts lol. If 4N is natural I bid 4N.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 18:40

5, exclusion blackwood, what else?
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Posted 2005-October-27, 21:33

inquiry, on Oct 27 2005, 07:40 PM, said:

5, exclusion blackwood, what else?

tempting isnt it? :)
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Posted 2005-October-27, 23:18

cherdano, on Oct 27 2005, 11:04 PM, said:

After 1-2-3-3-3NT-4, partner will bid 4. Pick your favorite meaning of 4NT in this auction if you need.

After 4D, just bid 5D. Pd will bid 6 if he has HK. 4N could be right but I am not so sure. If pd has Qx of heart, that would be disaster. I think 5D is safe.
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Posted 2005-October-27, 23:40

flytoox, on Oct 28 2005, 12:18 AM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 27 2005, 11:04 PM, said:

After 1-2-3-3-3NT-4, partner will bid 4. Pick your favorite meaning of 4NT in this auction if you need.

After 4D, just bid 5D. Pd will bid 6 if he has HK. 4N could be right but I am not so sure. If pd has Qx of heart, that would be disaster. I think 5D is safe.

He shouldnt bid 3N with Qx of hearts in this sequence.
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Posted 2005-October-28, 02:31

:ph34r: 3 is a polite bid, but why shouldn't I look for the ace of hearts with an ace asking bid? If it shows up, then 7 ought to roll even if pard's diamonds are substandard for his prior bidding. If playing RKC, then 4NT ought to be RKC for diamonds. If we are off a key card, then 6 should make.
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Posted 2005-October-28, 04:51

I was given this hand to bid over the phone as it was being bid at the table (I have no access to BBO here in the Netherlands, my husband was watching it live at home in London). So I can be completely honest.

i) Over 3D I would bid 4C. You aren't going to pass 3NT, so tell partner what your hand is about.

ii) I am told partner will bid 4D over 4C. I now bid 4S.

iii) Partner will bid 4NT (non-forcing). I'd love to be able to say I'd pass this, and I would have MPs, but I have a nasty feeling I'd end up going off in 5-minor instead, having carefully highlighted the heart problem.

Edit: I wasn't told 3D showed a solid suit. The table i was given the problem from was where Townsend/Gold were bidding, where 2C is not FG and 3D just shows extra values with 6 decent diamonds.
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Posted 2005-October-28, 06:05

FrancesHinden, on Oct 28 2005, 12:51 PM, said:

iii) Partner will bid 4NT (non-forcing).  I'd love to be able to say I'd pass this, and I would have MPs

Brilliant; you can make 5NT, but not 5 of either minor. Why not go down like the rest of the world?

Are you saying that you can stop in 4NT when everyone else is in 5 or 6 of a minor? In that case I congratulate you. Gold and Townsend must be seriously bad then, because they ended up in 6.

I know that it made. It's a 4 or 7 hand.

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Posted 2005-October-28, 06:21

Jlall, on Oct 28 2005, 05:33 AM, said:

inquiry, on Oct 27 2005, 07:40 PM, said:

5, exclusion blackwood, what else?

tempting isnt it? :ph34r:

I think if you were Zia, 5 exclusion might be more successful..
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Posted 2005-October-28, 09:04

I would bid 3 and reopen with 4 to force a cuebid if avaible. If not then just try for my 400 (hopefully they don't ruff).
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Posted 2005-October-28, 09:39

Sure we can stop in 4nt, no problem. Would be very surprised to see World Class players not be able to try for minor suit slam and still play in 4nt natural. What were the hands?

As I said if partner bids 3nt I bid 4d and now partner can bid 4h(ace ask) or 4nt to play. Just last night I had this auction:
1d=1h
1s=2d(XYZ)
3c=4c
4nt=p

btw with no ace asking on the actual hand should we just bang down the A or K of hearts on opening lead or is that to double dummy in 6?
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