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Preempt with two aces? First seat favorable, IMPs

Poll: How to open AT9xxxx-ATxx-x-x? (46 member(s) have cast votes)

How to open AT9xxxx-ATxx-x-x?

  1. Pass (4 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  2. 1 Spade (sound) (32 votes [69.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.57%

  3. 4 Diamonds (Namyats) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4 Spades (usually a normal 3-opening) (8 votes [17.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.39%

  5. Other (2 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

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#1 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2005-October-26, 02:04

Yesterday, in a teams match regional competition, lowest league. LHO is what we would call a low intermidiate, RHO advanced, advanced partner. State of the match: we can hardly loose anymore but since it's the first match in the season we just want as many VPs as possible.

White vs Red, first seat, you hold
♠AT9xxxx
♥ATxx
♦x
♣x

At these colors, you play 3♠ as a trash preempt (weaker than 2♠) so this hand is far too strong for that. Your options are as described in the poll.

The post mortem is not interesting but I thought it could have been.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 02:59

I open at the 1-level.
The potential in offense is obvious, and we have 2 defensive tricks.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 03:03

I never preempt in first with 2 aces.

In my partnership, the only alternative I see is 1♠ cause I also have 4♥ but I will pass this one and try to come back later.

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Posted 2005-October-26, 03:39

I hate to open 7 card suits at the 1-level, but sometimes you have to do it. Still, since this hand's ODR is fairly high (7-2 = 5), I'd try 4♠, followed by double if opps butt-in.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 04:47

4S, but 1S has a lot going for it
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Posted 2005-October-26, 05:01

4S, normal 4S preempt.

What else?

The hand is to weak to bid 1S,
followed by 4S, and who claimed,
that 4S cant contain two defencive
tricks?

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Posted 2005-October-26, 05:02

1♠. Why shouldn't a ♥-fit be possible? I don't like preempting with the other major.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 07:08

P_Marlowe, on Oct 26 2005, 01:01 PM, said:

4S, normal 4S preempt.

;)

Well, if your normal 4♠ preempts have 2 aces, only 7 cards and 4♥ then I agree :(

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Posted 2005-October-26, 07:35

I don't normally do this but I guess if I open some hands light on HCP one th 1-level this is it. 1♠. But only because of the nice 10s.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 07:57

Seems like a standard 3 level preempt, not avaible I am not sure if 4 or 1. The 4th ♥ can soemtimes act as an 8th ♠ so I will try 4.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 08:22

1S. After all i have like a bajillion zars right?
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Posted 2005-October-26, 08:51

1♠ or whatever represents a 1♠ opener.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 09:27

Meets pretty much every (except perhaps 12+ hcp) requirement for an opening 1 bid. No other way to accurately describe the hand later if you pass or preempt, so 1S it is :)
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Posted 2005-October-26, 09:58

1♠. The 4th heart and 2 aces makes a preempt undesirable. Think about it. Why are you preempting? How likely do you think they are going to reach and also make a game? We'll probably land in 4♠ anyway, but why rush? I'm not going to get shut out of this auction.

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Posted 2005-October-26, 10:05

1S, WTP.

Some light openers open 1S with 25 Zar, this hand has 29 Zar, and that doesn't even count the good spots. I wonder where in the world this doesn't count as a sound opening.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 10:07

Hannie, on Oct 26 2005, 12:05 PM, said:

1S, WTP.

Some light openers open 1S with 25 Zar, this hand has 29 Zar, and that doesn't even count the good spots. I wonder where in the world this doesn't count as a sound opening.

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Posted 2005-October-26, 10:08

1s
4s second choice.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 11:02

tysen2k, on Oct 26 2005, 05:58 PM, said:

1♠. The 4th heart and 2 aces makes a preempt undesirable. Think about it. Why are you preempting? How likely do you think they are going to reach and also make a game? We'll probably land in 4♠ anyway, but why rush? I'm not going to get shut out of this auction.

That's excatly what I thought. After I opened 4♠, passed out, ten tricks. But as I said, the post-mortem was not so interesting, any road would lead to 4♠.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 11:17

Burgess' rule strikes again...
4 Spades for me

I readily admit that there are a lot of reasons not to open 4♠. My suit quality ain't that great. I have two bullets. I have a side 4 card major. Hell. I have the master suit.

With this said and done, "Swans" normally play much better in their long suit.
Moreover, the simple, direct auction places the opponents under the most pressure. Plus, I can't stand to pass and I consider 1♠ a much worse misrepresentation playing a standard system.
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Posted 2005-October-26, 11:37

tysen2k, on Oct 26 2005, 04:58 PM, said:

1♠.  The 4th heart and 2 aces makes a preempt undesirable.  Think about it.  Why are you preempting?  How likely do you think they are going to reach and also make a game?

Preventing the opponents from finding a game isn't the only advantage of pre-empting. They might also bid at the five level when it's wrong for them to do so.

I think I'd open 1♠ on some days and 4♠ on others.
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