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Tough balancing Playing IMP

Poll: Your bid is... (30 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid is...

  1. Pass (2 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  2. Dbl (16 votes [53.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.33%

  3. 1NT (6 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. 2C (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  5. 2D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 2NT (5 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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#1 User is offline   Poky 

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  Posted 2005-October-19, 04:36

IMP. Only we vul.

♠K652
♥Q
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(1♠) pass (pass) ???
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Posted 2005-October-19, 04:39

1nt
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Posted 2005-October-19, 04:55

1NT would be more like 11-15 here, which is a bit of an underbid. Double might work out ok, but might not. It depends on whether partner will bid too many hearts. 2NT might be ok, but that's a bit of an overbid.

There's something to be said for pass on this sort of hand. Declarer will usually struggle to make 1S here.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 05:08

I dbl then NT
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  Posted 2005-October-19, 05:09

I'm bidding 2NT (18-20ish natural), via elimination of the other possibilities.

2♣ or 2♦ really mis-states the hand. 1NT is a huge underbid. Double looks right, treating the hand as a standard strong no trump, except that it goes wrong when partner bids too many hearts. Pass is the only really viable alternative, but at these colours I'm too worried about collecting 50s against our game. Which leaves me with the slight overbid of 2NT.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 05:10

Dbl...
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Posted 2005-October-19, 06:43

Dbl, but not feeling all so happy about it.

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Posted 2005-October-19, 07:50

If you play 1S-p-p-2NT as 17-18 or 17-19, you can bid that. If you play it as 18-20, double first and bid NT afterwards.

Regardless of the method, pass can be a winner here. Especially if LHO has hearts.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 08:05

X...awful but red white I just feel too strong to pass. Not good enough for 2N. I don't remember ever doing this with a stiff heart and no way to control the auction :lol:
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Posted 2005-October-19, 08:32

Blofeld, on Oct 19 2005, 01:09 PM, said:

Double looks right, treating the hand as a standard strong no trump, except that it goes wrong when partner bids too many hearts.

Hmm. If partner jumps to 3♥, I see nothing wrong with playing 3NT. Now ok, if he jumps to 4♥, I have to say "vglp", but is that at all likely?

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Posted 2005-October-19, 08:58

Chamaco, on Oct 19 2005, 06:08 AM, said:

I dbl then NT

Ditto, I fully expect a H bid from pard and will bid 2NT to show my 15-18 hcp hand.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 09:00

Jlall, on Oct 19 2005, 09:05 AM, said:

X...awful but red white I just feel too strong to pass. Not good enough for 2N. I don't remember ever doing this with a stiff heart and no way to control the auction :)

I believe that 2NT shows the 19-20 hcp hand. With x,xx,HHxxx,HHHxx what is the best bid to show the minors?
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Posted 2005-October-19, 09:53

Al_U_Card, on Oct 19 2005, 10:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 19 2005, 09:05 AM, said:

X...awful but red white I just feel too strong to pass. Not good enough for 2N. I don't remember ever doing this with a stiff heart and no way to control the auction :)

I believe that 2NT shows the 19-20 hcp hand. With x,xx,HHxxx,HHHxx what is the best bid to show the minors?

I agree with you (though I'd say a good 18-20 probably).

With the minors you just have to bid one then the other. With a (very) strong hand you have to start with a X unless you have the agreement that a cuebid is ANY strong 2 suiter in balancing seat.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 10:42

Spade length and spots don't encourage a pass, 2N is too much, so I'm down to a double and a rebid of NT if partner bids hearts; however, if partner bids a minor, I think I prefer a raise of the minor rather than a NT bid; there is also I believe a real risk here of balancing the opps into a heart game if LHO is 6/4 and RHO had too weak of hand to feel comfortable with a 3 heart bid.

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Posted 2005-October-19, 11:51

2NT, 16-18 as I play it
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Posted 2005-October-19, 12:12

Pass is out: even if we beat it (and I am not optimistic with these spots in ♠) 50 a trick seems like a poor reward for such a powerful hand.

1N is merely a poor compromise between pass and showing our hand: it trades 50 a trick for the joy of playing 1N too often

Double and then bid some number (low as possible) of NT seems the best of a bad lot.

Partner will not commit to 4♥ without 6 of them, and maybe we have a play opposite that holding.

My main worry is that we have little defence to 4♥ by them!

The only alternative is 2N immediately. I like that to be 19-20, and this hand should be downgraded, not upgraded. I do not think that 2N will prompt partner to insist upon ♥ any more than my double/NT sequence. But it will prompt him to generally overbid, and while that can be okay on some hands, this one doesn't look like a good example.

BTW, I really admire the choice of double followed by 1N. I am just not sure that I can trust someone to make an insufficent bid, or that I can accept it in time.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 12:17

mikeh, on Oct 19 2005, 01:12 PM, said:

BTW, I really admire the choice of double followed by 1N. I am just not sure that I can trust someone to make an insufficent bid, or that I can accept it in time.

What do you mean? It's going to go 1S p p X XX p p 1N :P
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Posted 2005-October-19, 12:26

Double seems obvious and painful. I hate this hand, please post only nice hands from now on :P.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 13:54

Poky, on Oct 19 2005, 10:36 AM, said:

IMP. Only we vul.

♠K652
♥Q
♦KQ72
♣AKJ6

(1♠) pass (pass) ???

1nt, HQ should be devalued and SKxxx sucks, you are in the right range if you play 1nt to show 12-16. If you hold SKT9x, it becomes tough.
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Posted 2005-October-19, 23:47

Ah, another person who favours Blue Club style balancing methods (much stronger 1NT up to 13-16 depending upon suit opened) as the hand with length in their suit should be stronger to compensate for the risk, the likelihood of opponents being in the wrong suit (particularly given how direct takeout doubles could be much lighter than in years gone by) and the offshape nature of the hand.
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