[Al_U_Card]

Scoring: IMP

1♣-1♥-???

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Suggestions? LHO will bid 2H if he can......

[pbleighton]

Double.

I'm going to treat the spade suit as 4 cards, and bid diamonds if pd doesn't bite.

I will bid 3NT if I need to.

Peter

[mikeh]

For me, doubling and then bidding ♦ would deny this much strength: if I doubled, LHO bid 2♥, and it went pass pass to me, 3♦ would not be forcing.

So I have to bid: and I see no reason to distort my hand, so I begin with 2♦, and if 2♥ gets passed to me, my natural 2♠ bid is forcing, showing 4+♠ and longer ♦: looks like what I have

Another bad hand for negative free-bids: you double and LHO bids 3♥ (weak) and it goes pass pass to you: how can you describe a gf 2-suiter now?

[cherdano]

I can't imagine anything else but 2♦ immediately.

[han]

2D for me too.

It may be that I never get to show 5 spades, not a big problem.,

[Al_U_Card]

The bidding continues....2D by you-2H -Dbl by pard-p-???, where to now, pilgrim?

[Al_U_Card]

Jlall, on Oct 14 2005, 12:51 PM, said:

What is X?

No agreement, playing basic sayc with a pard of unknown "expert"ise....

[mikeh]

2♠: still bidding my hand

With no agreement about the double, I assume partner has short ♦ and hence even 6♠ is still reachable.

I certainly do not pass.

[Chamaco]

Over a 1m opener, with my pard we have recently switched to:

1. xfer response after overcalls of 1 of a suit: these allow to raise with a bad hand and with a good hand; so we do not need the cue for raising opener's minor


2. NFB at the 2-level; X include classical neg X and GF hands without a selfsufficient suit;


3. cuebid is "Michaels" = 55 or better in the remaining 2 suits, invitational+

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This hand fits well with the scheme: I would cue showing the unbid 2 suits.

Sorry, I know this is not a thread on methods, I apologize in advance :-)
Without these agreements I'd show diamonds.

[luke warm]

mikeh, on Oct 14 2005, 10:36 AM, said:

Another bad hand for negative free-bids: you double and LHO bids 3♥ (weak) and it goes pass pass to you: how can you describe a gf 2-suiter now?

why not shoot 3NT? yeah i'd like another diamond but i don't have one

[HeartA]

Without NFB, 2♦, of course.

[Trpltrbl]

2♦ simple forcing , and will bid my ♠ after that.

GBB

[Cascade]

Chamaco, on Oct 15 2005, 07:44 AM, said:

Over a 1m opener, with my pard we have recently switched to:

1. xfer response after overcalls of 1 of a suit: these allow to raise with a bad hand and with a good hand; so we do not need the cue for raising opener's minor


2. NFB at the 2-level; X include classical neg X and GF hands without a selfsufficient suit;


3. cuebid is "Michaels" = 55 or better in the remaining 2 suits, invitational+

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This hand fits well with the scheme: I would cue showing the unbid 2 suits.

Sorry, I know this is not a thread on methods, I apologize in advance :-)
Without these agreements I'd show diamonds.

Hi Mauro

Can you clarify this for me?

1. Transfers -

Is this just at the one-level?

Does it include 1NT?

Do you pass with natural 1NT hands?


1♣ (1♦) ...

1♥ = spades

1♠ = hearts

1NT = good club raise

2♣ = weak club raise

2♦ = five-five

1♣ (1♥) ...

1♠ = diamonds?

1NT = good club raise

2♣ = weak club raise

2♦ = NFB

2♥ = 5/5

I don't quite follow what you mean.

Thanks

[Chamaco]

Cascade, on Oct 15 2005, 06:27 PM, said:

Hi Mauro

Can you clarify this for me?

Hi Wayne :-)

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1. Transfers -

Is this just at the one-level?

No, natural 1 of a suit is natural.
Xfer starts with 1NT and end with the suit below opener's suit.

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Does it include 1NT?

Yes, actually it STARTS with 1NT.

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Do you pass with natural 1NT hands?

Yes and no. The bottom range of such hands shall pass, the top range can use a negative double or invite with 2NT.


More or less the scheme you wrote down is what we play, exceopt that our xfers start at the 1NT level and higher and do not apply to out 1-of-a-suit responses

E.g.:

1♣-(DBL/ 1y)
....1 of a suit: natural, 4+ card, forcing 1R
....1NT: good raise of ♣ (inverted minors style)
....2♣= bad raise
....cuebid = 55+ inv+ in unbuid suits
.... 2 of a suit = NFB (if jump to 2M, it's a weakish jump = about 9 losers, 6+ card suiit, but not totally preemptive)
.... DBL = negative double, includes
............a. classical neg X hands
............b. the top range of what would be a natural 1NT response (good 9 up to 11). With a natural 1NT response of 6-8 hcp, we pass
............c. "normal" GF hands with a 5+ not selfsufficient suit
.... 3 of a suit = strong JS, self sufficient suit

[Fluffy]

Double to me. If 2♦ is forcing then 2♦

[Al_U_Card]

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No matter what it was for, I decided that 4S or 5D was the least we should settle for, so I bid 4S, duly passed out, making four on the lay of the cards....