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#1 User is offline   roghog 

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Posted 2005-October-13, 07:00

Scoring: IMP

(1♦) - 1♠ - (2♣) - ??


The event had 13-board matches, IMPed, then converted to VPs.

Also, do you bid differently at different colours, or at different scoring?

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Posted 2005-October-13, 07:10

4S, any vulnerability any form of scoring. Time to apply the pressure, my CK is well placed, this could easily make, and pards standards for a 1S overcall with differ with the vulnerability. He knows hes red/white at imps. I don't expect to go for more than 500, and if we do they should make a game.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 07:31

4S, automatic.

I have been burned too many times not going to 4M because i used my "judgement" :)

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Posted 2005-October-13, 08:06

4♠

Fast in fast out. Might make too.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 08:24

3♠ only !

I would have bid 4 with a single.

I don't want to go for 500 or more if they have nothing.

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Posted 2005-October-13, 08:28

If something, 3♠. Heck, even 2♠ can be the limit.

Unless opponents are loonies, to bid 4♠ here on grounds that "pard overcalled red vs white at imps" is a quick and most unpleasant way to go -200 or -500.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 08:38

4s, makes if p has opening hand, down 1 if partner overcalled light. Down 2 if really lite. BTW 3s is weak and I think this is a nice LR hand.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 08:44

I'm going with 4♠. Sometimes it's wrong, but sometimes it may even make, and sometimes when it is wrong opponents will do the wrong thing (also when 4♠ is right opponents are more likely to do the wrong thing than over 3♠).
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Posted 2005-October-13, 08:49

4S.

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Posted 2005-October-13, 10:52

4 ♠ applying maximum pressure to East-West.

This tells partner the limit of my hand, and East-West can't bid slowly to find their best fit.

I would make the same bid whatever the type of scoring or vulnerability.

It is not my style to deny a 10 card spade fit.

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Posted 2005-October-13, 12:57

We have a (big) fit, so they have a fit.......in H maybe? Their hands are still unknown to them so the tactical advantage of the preempt is tempting but my defensive values and the safe haven of a S contract lead me to take a less drastic approach. Will they play at the 5 level either way (we go fast or we go slow) or will they try for their last plus against a premature 4S call?

The bid that causes the most confusion may be a q-bid, or 2H or even 2NT! You know that 3S should be makable and never doubled even if it is going down so....take your time, relax and enjoy the ride...... :P
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Posted 2005-October-13, 15:22

4♠, not perfect, but time to maximize the pressure.

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Posted 2005-October-13, 15:32

................................. 4♠
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-October-13, 15:50

I'm a man.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 15:53

Does that mean you bid 5♠?
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Posted 2005-October-13, 16:35

Huh? Oh, right, hadn't realised this thread was a bidding problem...
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Posted 2005-October-13, 17:14

I would bid 3♠ only. With this shape and strength (and opp's bidding), I don't think we can make 4♠ (statistically). With my holding of ♥, I am not afraid of opp's to go to 4♥. Opps go to 5 of a minor? Fine, I'd rather defend.
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Posted 2005-October-13, 18:19

Now for something completely different:

My bid is 3♣

I have an invitational hand with a ♣ card. If I held the Ax and xx in the minors, I would cue 3♦.

While one of these bids may not show a control (one should the other should be ambiguous: I'd choose 3♦ as ambiguous because Kx is not worth much in ♦), the odds are that you have a control because you are showing values and are not bidding ♥.

3♠ is weak (altho it is probably the optimum spot on most hands)

2♠ is misleading and allows far too much space to the opps

4♠ is too committal.

Am I a happy 3♣ bidder, secure in the knowledge that our side is now perfectly positioned? Nope :D

But partner will have a touch more info than I have when he makes his decision and that may allow him to place the contract or (even) to make a cue of his own: to toss the ball back to me with a red suit bid. For which I will not thank him, but which will get me to bid 3♠.

This is an ugly sequence: a minimum overcall such as Axxxx AJx xxx xx makes a vul game good, while a great hand such as AQ10xx KQxx xx Qx makes the game hopeless. My cue will not solve these examples, but may help on other hands.

Finally, don't worry about ♥: the opps do not hold that fit and if they do they lack the values to find it now. The odds are that RHO has long ♣, a partial or better ♦ fit and an imperfect hand in hcp for his forcing 2♣: after all, how many hcp are there in the deck?
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Posted 2005-October-13, 20:07

roghog, on Oct 13 2005, 08:00 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1♦) - 1♠ - (2♣) - ??


The event had 13-board matches, IMPed, then converted to VPs.

Also, do you bid differently at different colours, or at different scoring?

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