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1♠ pass 2♠ pass
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Posted 2005-October-10, 11:22
auction:
1♠ pass 2♠ pass
3♣ pass 3♥ pass
3♠ pass you
matchpoints all black
1♠ pass 2♠ pass
3♣ pass 3♥ pass
3♠ pass you
matchpoints all black
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Posted 2005-October-10, 11:23
Why didn't I bid 4♠ earlier?
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Posted 2005-October-10, 11:23
pigpenz, on Oct 10 2005, 12:22 PM, said:
auction:
1♠ pass 2♠ pass
3♣ pass 3♥ pass
3♠ pass you
matchpoints all black
1♠ pass 2♠ pass
3♣ pass 3♥ pass
3♠ pass you
matchpoints all black
Scoring: MP
I would have bid 4s over 3 clubs
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Posted 2005-October-10, 11:29
Not sure that I agree with the 3H bid, but, since you chose it, I interpret it as meaning "I don't know about game, I have values in hearts, does that help resolve the situation?". Opener's pass says "No". I will, therefore, abide by partner's decision. Personally, I like Kx in P's help-needed suit.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 12:21
Agree with 4♠ over 3♣.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 12:25
4♠
I would not bid 3♥ here.
3♣ was ostensibly a game try, but might have been a cue-bid with a monster 1♠ hand interested in slam opposite the right values. My style is:
If I like the gametry and have an Ace I can show: cue bid
If I like the game try and have no Ace to cue, bid game (which I would do on this hand)
If I am not crazy about the gametry but have a good hand in context and can show some concentrated values below 3♠, do so. Thus is my hand were Qxx KQxxx xxx xx, I would bid 3♥
If I want nothing to do with game or have no values I can show below 3♠, bid 3♠
Note that a 3♥ bid here is ambiguous if partner lacks the ♥A: I could be cue-bidding or simply trying to get to game. Partner assumes the latter (of course, he knows the latter if looking at the A). If he is slamming, and is missing the ♥A, he will have another cue to make and we can clarify things. If he was looking for game, and dislikes values in ♥, he will bid 3♠ and I will bid game if I was cue-bidding.
I would not bid 3♥ here.
3♣ was ostensibly a game try, but might have been a cue-bid with a monster 1♠ hand interested in slam opposite the right values. My style is:
If I like the gametry and have an Ace I can show: cue bid
If I like the game try and have no Ace to cue, bid game (which I would do on this hand)
If I am not crazy about the gametry but have a good hand in context and can show some concentrated values below 3♠, do so. Thus is my hand were Qxx KQxxx xxx xx, I would bid 3♥
If I want nothing to do with game or have no values I can show below 3♠, bid 3♠
Note that a 3♥ bid here is ambiguous if partner lacks the ♥A: I could be cue-bidding or simply trying to get to game. Partner assumes the latter (of course, he knows the latter if looking at the A). If he is slamming, and is missing the ♥A, he will have another cue to make and we can clarify things. If he was looking for game, and dislikes values in ♥, he will bid 3♠ and I will bid game if I was cue-bidding.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 12:28
I was always going to game here (didn't I file my flightplan?). 3♠ seems to volley the ball back at me - sort of a Kokish reply. Hopefully pard bid 3♠ in tempo.
I don't see any point to 4♣ or 4♥ other than to help the defense. Surely this hand will play better in spades than hearts with my hand ruffing the club (s).
I don't see any point to 4♣ or 4♥ other than to help the defense. Surely this hand will play better in spades than hearts with my hand ruffing the club (s).
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Posted 2005-October-10, 12:28
4S. I agree with 3H, to me it just pinpoints some values/length in this suit. Obviously I bid this in case partner is trying for slam as I'm always going to bid a game. I'm not a fan of control bidding this early in the auction as partner has no idea where I have length or values yet after 2S, and I think that is more important. I know I'm in a minority.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 12:45
Hi,
before answering, could you please
say, what 3C was, a trial bid for sure,
but help suit, long sui, short suit?
Unless 2S showed already a constructive
I would have bid 4S over 3C.
With kind regards
Marlowe
before answering, could you please
say, what 3C was, a trial bid for sure,
but help suit, long sui, short suit?
Unless 2S showed already a constructive
I would have bid 4S over 3C.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2005-October-10, 13:16
I can't answer without knowing what 2S showed.
If I play it as 7-10, constructive (in a 2/1 SF NT style) I pass 3S.
If I play it as about 5-9 with 3-card support, I bid game.
If 3C was a long suit try I just about agree with bidding 3H, as 4H could be best. If 3C was a short suit try 3H is completely clear.
If I play it as 7-10, constructive (in a 2/1 SF NT style) I pass 3S.
If I play it as about 5-9 with 3-card support, I bid game.
If 3C was a long suit try I just about agree with bidding 3H, as 4H could be best. If 3C was a short suit try 3H is completely clear.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 15:53
3♣ was a natural suit game try
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Posted 2005-October-10, 20:23
4♠, which I would have bid after 3♣. So, now that I roadmapped the defence I will still bid it, just to teach myself a lesson.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 20:53
Abstain, because I wouldn't have bid 3♥ over 3♣.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:20
there was no agreement on 2♠ being constructive or not. For those who wondered about that.
Just a question about matchpoints vs imps game bidding.
Just a question about matchpoints vs imps game bidding.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:24
bidding doesn't make much sense imo, after 3♣ you have a 4♠ bid...
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:28
I suppose all of the 4S over 3C bidder's partners will know what to do with AKQxx Axx x AJxx. And if the diamonds and hearts in responder's hand were reversed, they would also know what to do.
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:36
actually i liked the 3♥ bid when it happened at the table
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:37
Jlall, on Oct 11 2005, 06:28 PM, said:
I suppose all of the 4S over 3C bidder's partners will know what to do with AKQxx Axx x AJxx. And if the diamonds and hearts in responder's hand were reversed, they would also know what to do.
Yes, they would be annoyed that they didn't splinter 4♦ (or used a short suit game try)
Of course I see the point of 3♥ as far as slam interest goes, but are you not worried about telling them what to lead against 4♠? Admittedly, a diamond lead is likely anyway after 3♣, but there is still hope...
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:42
I dont know maybe I am missing something here, trying to be too delicate or precise.
almost every other auction just went 1-2-4♠'s
+450 85%
+420 50%
+170 20%
almost every other auction just went 1-2-4♠'s
+450 85%
+420 50%
+170 20%
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Posted 2005-October-11, 10:44
cherdano, on Oct 11 2005, 11:37 AM, said:
Yes, they would be annoyed that they didn't splinter 4♦ (or used a short suit game try)
Of course I see the point of 3♥ as far as slam interest goes, but are you not worried about telling them what to lead against 4♠? Admittedly, a diamond lead is likely anyway after 3♣, but there is still hope...
Of course I see the point of 3♥ as far as slam interest goes, but are you not worried about telling them what to lead against 4♠? Admittedly, a diamond lead is likely anyway after 3♣, but there is still hope...
Splintering would make it hard to get to a club slam...but this goes back to an earlier thread where I suggested splinters in this type of auction should be made only with 1 suiters. Anyways... yes the downside of 3H is obviously you help them lead. That's a very real risk.