[Walddk]

P_Marlowe, on Oct 10 2005, 06:14 PM, said:

If you do not want to bid 3D, another possible
solution would be 2NT, which shows 15-16HCP,
and forces to partnership to game.

It is not perfect, but on the other hand, it would
be the book bid, with

AKJxx
xxx
AKx
xx

and there is not much difference between this hand
and the hand you gave.

And if you belong tro the school, wo opens

AKJx
xxx
AKxx
xx

with 1S, you 2NT did not even deny 4 card support for
diamond.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Acol does not really shine, when it comes to slam
bidding, but that is the price you pay, to get in more
easily as opener / as reponder with option of getting out
easily.

Of course I don't want to rebid 2NT. I want to describe my hand, not misdescribe it. Like it or not, you have a big advantage on hands like these if you play 2/1. Now you have an easy 3♦ without risking a pass.

PS: Acol does not really shine

was well said.

Roland

[han]

Jlall, on Oct 10 2005, 11:16 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Oct 10 2005, 11:14 AM, said:

It is not perfect, but on the other hand, it would
be the book bid, with

AKJxx
xxx
AKx
xx

I have not read that book.

lol!

[P_Marlowe]

Walddk, on Oct 10 2005, 11:18 AM, said:

<snip>
Like it or not, you have a big advantage on hands like these
if you play 2/1. Now you have an easy 3♦ without risking a pass.

PS: Acol does not really shine

was well said.

Roland

Hi,

2/1 is better when it comes to slam bidding,
but at least it is not as bad, as some claimed
in this thread.

Personally I play a system similar to 2/1
and I could bid 3D without fear, that partner
passes.

I changed the system, because my current
partner did not play Acol.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MickyB]

Jlall, on Oct 10 2005, 05:16 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Oct 10 2005, 11:14 AM, said:

It is not perfect, but on the other hand, it would
be the book bid, with

AKJxx
xxx
AKx
xx

I have not read that book.

I'll buy you a copy for Christmas.

2/1 GF is certainly better in slam auctions, but it isn't great at deciding between game and part-score after 1M:1NT. Frances plays 2/1s as fairly light (despite playing strong NT+5 card majors) then uses some interesting system to sort it out including forcing and NF raises. I'm not terribly keen on Acol but play it in my two main partnerships, after a 2/1 response a jump shift shows a splinter and a 3NT rebid shows a flattish (usually 5422) GF raise which works ok. I agree that playing 1S:2C, 2D as NF is slightly rubbish, and I wish we didn't teach it to people at uni

[JLOGIC]

I do not understand this at all. Why is 3D better than 3H? 3H shows what 3D does as well as pinpointing our stiff. I would always bid 3H, surprised I got rocked so hard in the vote, I will try to discuss this hand with fred so I can become enlightened.