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#1 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2005-October-06, 22:44

xxx=Axxx=xx=K9xx

1D=P=1H=3S
5C=P=?

YOUR BID AND WHY

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Posted 2005-October-06, 23:21

Sure, I'll bid 6♣. All I really need is for partner to have ♦AK, ♣AQ, and only two major suit losers. 4♣ already shows rather a nice hand, so I think this is quite likely. If partner has only AKxxx of diamonds, I'll need a bit of luck (something like diamonds 3-3 or clubs 2-2 or better diamonds or clubs from partner), but this isn't so unlikely, and the "better diamonds or clubs" part is quite likely.

Actually, I need even less: A xx AQJxx AQxxx and similar may be fine unless they work out to lead hearts (and if they do lead hearts, hey, maybe the 3S bidder does have the diamond K -- his partner has passed already). (I will need diamonds 3-3 or clubs 2-2 [or the diamond king onside], however, unless partner can produce the diamond 10 too.)

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Posted 2005-October-07, 00:36

I do (who did I just marry??). Partner is at least 6-5 in the minors for his jump to 5♣, perhaps even 6-6. I expect one of these hands:

x
x
AKxxxx
AQxxx


x
void
AKxxxx
Axxxxx


On a bad day it's on a finesse, when he has ♦QJ instead of the king. On a very good day we miss a grand slam, when he is void in spades rather than hearts. And on a very bad day, we go down when he has

xx
void
AKxxxx
AQxxx

That would be very unlucky, would it not? Anyway, my partner has gone down before, so he is kind of used to it :)

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Posted 2005-October-07, 01:10

Yes, I do !

K♣ is a golden card and the ♥A can cover one of partner's major losers

Walddk, on Oct 7 2005, 08:36 AM, said:

And on a very bad day, we go down when he has

xx
void
AKxxxx
AQxxx



Only if they find the ♠ lead ! :)

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Posted 2005-October-07, 07:14

I'm a doer as well. 2-4 in the minors is the money shape.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 07:38

Yes Mike I do.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-October-07, 09:20

Even the inmates say yes......
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Posted 2005-October-07, 09:35

Good example of not worrying about how many hcp you have but, rather, how many working cards you have.

I have the best possible shape. xx of ♦ is better than x or xxx (better than x because xx increases the chances of establishing the suit, better than xxx, because partner is favourite to win the first 2 rounds by strength but need not hold AKQ). I hold xxx in ♠, so the odds are that he has a stiff (and those odds increased with his no-fit jump), and I hold bonus cards (length and strength) in ♣ and a pure, no wastage ♥A.

So count me in for 6♣.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 13:40

Does 5S in this auction guarantee first round control or is is a "catching up with strength" bid?

I would like to bid 5S as a grand slam invitation: Pard could be 0175.

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Posted 2005-October-07, 17:43

Pass to me.
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Posted 2005-October-07, 19:57

I am bidding slam, but Grandslam might still be possible.
I have two great cards for pd, and doubleton ♦ is great too.
So I will bid 5♠ but I hope pd knows what it means or what I am asking for.

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Posted 2005-October-07, 22:39

Would you bid 6C with only 1 good card? I don't think so, so surely 5S is an overbid, and I am not convinced it doesn't show a first round control. You do have 2 good cards, but bidding 6C doesn't deny that, and you could have a much better hand.
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Posted 2005-October-08, 00:12

I was the first one to raise to 6♣, but to be fair, partner could also have

x
x
KQJxxx
AQJxx

A perfectly normal jump to 5♣, so passing could of course also be right. I have a feeling that a few VG commentators would say "Oh no, how could he", when responder bids one more. Another example of how easy it is double dummy.

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Posted 2005-October-08, 17:56

my rho passed, my lho preempted and i have 3 controls... i'd bid 6C
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