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The worst situation at MPs How desperate are you?

Poll: Your call (24 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call

  1. None (1 votes [4.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.17%

  2. Only A (5 votes [20.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.83%

  3. A and B (14 votes [58.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.33%

  4. A. B and C (2 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  5. All of 'em (2 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2005-October-04, 20:15

You are vul, the opponents are not. A 15-17 1N is opened on your left followed by two passes. Everyone knows this is a horrible spot to be in. Setting them 1 for +50 is usually crappy, so action is usually justified to find a fit. Which of these hands are suitable for action in the passout seat over 1N (Assume you are playing DONT):

A:


B:


C:


D:


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Posted 2005-October-04, 20:34

There's another side to this, which is that -200 is a disaster at matchpoints, and -100 is worse than -90. I'd much rather bid at all nonvulnerable than at these colors. Nonetheless I think hand A is a pretty clear bid, and it's reasonable to take a call with B as well. I might bid with C at all white and would never bid with D.
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Posted 2005-October-04, 20:46

A is clear.

B is possible.

C and D are clear passes.

Not vul, I would bid with A, B, and C.

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Posted 2005-October-04, 22:49

I wouldn't balance with hand 2, as it seems odss against that it is our hand, and -100 is worse than -90.

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Posted 2005-October-04, 23:06

A and B. B is the only questionable one, but its not too hard to imagine 1n making and you guys having a partscore, especially given the probability that partner will choose a losing lead if 1N can be beat (and if he chooses one of your suits...well you had a fit lol).
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Posted 2005-October-05, 01:13

A and B only.

Hand A is clear to me and B is a little bit questionable, but I would risk it it.

C+ D are clear passes. Balanced hands should defend, and you have 2 entries in order to lead through declarer into partners high card points

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Posted 2005-October-05, 01:51

One of the things to think about when protecting 1NT is whether you can help pard in the lead.

In hands B, C and D, there is a good chance you can help pard in his lead, especially hand D. In hand A chances are pard makes a bad lead, so action is required. Hand B is borderline. If it were 5431, maybe action would be fine (singleton lead likely). As it is it's a matter of style and mood.

Acting also runs the risk of opps finding their (as of now buried) spade fit.. lol :)
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Posted 2005-October-05, 02:54

Hand A has 8 points ,7 losers,empty suits.Opponents may have 24 points.We may have misfit hands.We are vul and may lose @ 100 per undertrick in a part-score deal.I do not know whether leading 'my'suits is correct.
So I pass hand A unless I am desperate.
Other hands I pass, even if I am desperate. :ph34r:
The poster specifically says red vs white so why bother about other vulnerability possibilities? :huh:
BTW I voted 'only hand A'! I am generally desperate. :)
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Posted 2005-October-05, 04:46

I have a theory that in balancing seat against a 1NT opening, you should be more eager to bid with a weak hand than with a strong hand.

HCPs are not so important for part-score battles and besides, opps have 15-25 but statistically speaking almost always 18-22 so your side has about the same no matter what you have.

But partner had the chance to bid in direct seat which he would do more often with a reasonable hand that with a weak hand. Therefore, holding a weak hand in balancing seat suggests that partner is balanced which makes it safer to balance.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 09:26

A and B=100%, C=NV
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Posted 2005-October-05, 09:35

I will bid with A & B all the time, C most of the time, but depending on the system I play. Not sure if I would come into action with Don't or Capp on C.
Playing Meckwell I would.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 09:52

Dont and meckwell would have the same bid to show the same thing.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 09:59

I agree that system does matter here. Playing Lionel I would somewhat comfortably bid 2C on B (showing hearts and clubs). Playing Woolsey I would double (so that partner knows my minor is longer). Playing DONT (or Meckwell) the major and the relative length is unknown so this makes it less attractive.

Playing Meyerson over NT I would bid 2D.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:13

only with A would i feel comfortable... i might bid 2C with B but i doubt it
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Posted 2005-October-05, 18:09

"Dont and meckwell would have the same bid to show the same thing."

Not the way I play Meckwell, which is that 2C shows clubs and a major, versus clubs and any other suit for DONT.

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