[mikeh]

Chamaco, on Oct 6 2005, 05:33 AM, said:

Do you folks play 4NT as generic 2 suited takeout here ?

It is not clear to me whether this is a generic 2-suiter or a 3 suiter: but it is takeout.

void Qxxx AJxx Qxxxx I am not doubling (see my earlier post: this is not a hand with transferable values) and I am not passing, so 4N for me.

However, frequency-wise, 4N will far more often be a 2-suiter and partner bids accordingly.

[Elianna]

Gerben42, on Oct 6 2005, 07:26 AM, said:

Pass on this hand, 4NT as a generic 2-suiter. Why isn't this unanimous?

Because some of us play double is penalty.

[omeroj]

I bidded double, i think that double could be penalty... if i have minours could bid 4 nt...if i have the hearts could bid 5♥ because when the bid go 1♠ x 4♠ my p have sure 4 more ♥....

Then i will post the hand of my p....and you will see his hand and if is right to bid x or you prefer other bid:)

Tks for votes

Omero

[mikeh]

Showing partner's hand makes no difference to the answer to your post. The correct answer depends only upon what double means, not what partner holds. It is poor practice to change the meaning of your bid according to what you hold: it is just as futile, and misguided, to change the meaning of your bid according to what partner held.

If double is transferable values or takeout (not quite the same thing) then you cannot and should not double here, no matter what partner holds.

If double is pure penalty, then you have to double, no matter what partner holds.

[omeroj]

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Showing partner's hand makes no difference to the answer to your post. The correct answer depends only upon what double means, not what partner holds. It is poor practice to change the meaning of your bid according to what you hold: it is just as futile, and misguided, to change the meaning of your bid according to what partner held.

If double is transferable values or takeout (not quite the same thing) then you cannot and should not double here, no matter what partner holds.

If double is pure penalty, then you have to double, no matter what partner holds

Of course mikeh, for me the double is penalty...i told only that is nice to see too the hand of my p and how you all could bid on 1♠ by opp

Regards

Omero