[cherdano]

Jlall, on Oct 2 2005, 08:27 PM, said:

Definitely agree with 1D opener. I cannot think of an auction that would come up where you would be placed awkwardly.

I agree, because in the bad auction you won't be placed any more at all:
1♦-P-P-P

Ok,

Spoiler

very unlikely that noone can find a 1♥ bid -- and even so, you might make 1♦, and you might not make 4♠. Definitely agree with 1♦, but couldn't resist the joke.

[inquiry]

Jlall, on Oct 2 2005, 06:46 PM, said:

lol true, 1D float didn't even occur to me

Yet another reason to Free fears the convention he will not allow to be mentioned in this thread... but then who likes easy bridge?... :-)

[kfgauss]

whereagles, on Oct 2 2005, 08:20 PM, said:

kfgauss, on Oct 2 2005, 04:15 PM, said:

How is this different from a

1♦ 1♥ X 2♥
5♠

auction?

It shouldn't be different. But I'd be weary to produce such a wierd jump auction at table because pard might be on a different wavelenght

I was actually serious. Your sequence of

1♦ 1♥ X 2♥
3♥ P 3♠ P
5♠

should (in a perfect world) suggest something slightly different. (This is in a perfect world because then you'd never start with a cuebid and then realize you had a perfect bid the round before.) For example, maybe it's looking for a heart control plus something slightly extra and so partner's allowed to pass with a heart control and no help in either spades or diamonds. (This is all assuming that you think 3♠ is just a nothing bid.)

I'm reminded of a hand in Allan Falk's Spingold Challenge (skip this paragraph if you're just about to start this book or want to read it soon with no spoilers, I guess). Your partner tells you in the introduction "I don't play frivolous cards, and all my bids mean something" and so, when there's a hand in which partner bids Grand Slam Force and but had a chance to bid it a round earlier with the same info (i.e. you just rebid your suit in a "nothing bid" sort of situation), you're supposed to realize that he's looking for a slightly better suit than just 2 of the top 3 honors.

Andy

[Winstonm]

5S. Time to clarify intentions and highlight the heart suit.

Winston

[whereagles]

kfgauss, on Oct 3 2005, 01:06 AM, said:

I was actually serious. Your sequence of

1♦ 1♥ X 2♥
3♥ P 3♠ P
5♠

should (in a perfect world) suggest something slightly different.

I was being serious as well The point is this is not a perfect world, so sometimes you have to 'walk the dog' a bit, sort to say, before a bid like 5♠ becomes crystal-clear to pard.

Obviously, you could agree with pard that a straight 5♠ shows no heart control, whereas a delayed 5♠ would mean 1st round heart control and looking for good trumps. But I doubt anyone has this agreement.

[Free]

At our table, the guy bid 6♠. My p started ♥, I had AKxxxx and they went -1. Before the lead, I asked the player at my side of the screen what 4♣ and 5♣ was. He wrote "4♣ is control, partner thinks it's natural"

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1) 1D is ok
2) 3S forcing, sorry 3H is ..., bid your suits
over 4S from partner, you can still 5C
showing first round control
3) abstain, partner will believe 4C is natural
=> 5C was to play

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

FrancesHinden, on Oct 2 2005, 11:51 AM, said:

pbleighton, on Oct 2 2005, 11:24 AM, said:

- Do you agree with 3♥ followed by 4♣ to find out about a ♥ control? Or what alternative would you use?

No, I would have rebid 3S.
This shows a huge hand, and is GF.  If pd signs off in 4S, you can respect that.

Suppose you had opened 1D, your partner had responded 1S and you jumped to 3S. That would be natural, invitational, non-forcing.

Why is 3S in this auction any different?

Hi,

it depends on the meaning of 2NT by opener in this seq.,
for me this would be lebensohl style, i.e. 3S would be forcing.

Marlowe

[Fluffy]

Jlall, on Oct 2 2005, 06:27 PM, said:

Definitely agree with 1D opener. I cannot think of an auction that would come up where you would be placed awkwardly.

There are several combinations, for example

1♦-(5♣)-p-(p)

or

1♦-(2♣)-X-(5♣)

or many otehrs that end in 5♣

[junyi_zhu]

Jlall, on Oct 2 2005, 06:27 PM, said:

Definitely agree with 1D opener. I cannot think of an auction that would come up where you would be placed awkwardly. 2C will be awkward even if the opps never bid! Frequently you will never have distinguished a 6-5 hand from a 6-4 hand. In fact you'd need the auction to come up 2C p 2D p 3D p 3H or 2C p 3C p 3D p 3H p (and is it clear spade bids are natural here? probably but will partner also think that?) for you to be able to show 6-5.

After 2H you have a textbook 5S bid. If partner bids 6H, bid a grand (and hope he doesn't have the death holding of xxx in diamonds). If partner bids 5N or 6S then play 6S. If he has no control he'd pass.

The 3H bid on this hand is ambiguous. It just creates a game force and could be based on: 1 suited diamond hand needing a stopper, a strong minor suit 2 suiter, spade support. I think 18-19 bal with no stopper should X 2H. When you bid 4C you are indicating hand 2. 5C says ok, lets play 5C.

or a textbook 5H psyche if you are desperated for IMPs, hehehe

[Impact]

1D- (1H) X (2H)
?

I thought 5H is obvious and leaves partner in absolutely no doubt about what is going on.....

The actual auction is deserving of any poor result it received - and classic sign of alleged expert flexibility and hubris: instead of making a description which is easy opener determines to control events by manufacturing bids in the hope that a la Micawber something good will turn up.

THe essence of dialogue bidding (as opposed to relays: Q & A) is recognition of the need to change roles and surrender control when you can make a descriptive bid.

Once you have opened 1D and they bid H, when partner shows at least S tolerance (it does imply that doesn't it?) you are in great shape (pun intentional).

[HeartA]

4♣ is the bid that caused confusion. have to bid 5♠ now.