[Winstonm]

Like most who play strong 15-17 NT, you have agreed that 2236 shape with a minor is certainly eligible to be opened 1N; however, do you further refine this to HCP only or do playing tricks come into play in the decision. Do you open both of these hands 1N, one of them, or neither. What are your reasons?

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Like most who play strong 15-17 NT, you have agreed that 2236 shape with a minor is certainly eligible to be opened 1N; however, do you further refine this to HCP only or do playing tricks come into play in the decision. Do you open both of these hands 1N, one of them, or neither. What are your reasons?

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[mike777]

1) prefer 1club then 3clubs but very close.
2) 1nt. easy./

[han]

I think that the playing strength of the first is too high. I would rather open 1C and rebid 2NT. Rebidding 3C is also possible, this is a good hand for a club slam.

The second seems fine.

I frequently upgrade 13 (yes, 13) and 14 pointers with good 6-card minors.

[cherdano]

I don't think I have very strong opinions on bidding style, but I would definitely not be happy if my partner opened hand 1 with 1NT. That one screams for suit play!
I would definitely open the second hand 1NT but I wouldn't mind a 1♣ opening.

Arend

[pclayton]

No way I would on hand 1 - this hand's a monster.

Hand 2 is fine for 1N - a few tenaces, strong doubletons and marginal suit. This is exactly what a 15-17 1N opening should like with a 6 card minor.

By the way if you open 1♣ on the 2nd, what is your rebid please?

[card_judge]

Makes me glad I am playing Precision. Hands down 1♣ both hands.

[beatrix45]

Playing SAYC I would open one club on the first hand and one NT with the second hand. My reason is the quality of my club suit. With the first hand I have an easy 3♣ rebid. The club suit in the second hand is too ratty, plus it has good tenaces.

[Winstonm]

Now, what do you open with this one?

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[Blofeld]

Now that looks like 1NT again.

[cherdano]

Blofeld, on Oct 2 2005, 12:17 AM, said:

Now that looks like 1NT again.

Not to me.

[Walddk]

Winstonm, on Oct 1 2005, 11:43 PM, said:

Now, what do you open with this one?

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I would upgrade it to 1NT, but I do not mind 1♣ followed by 2♣, unless the response is 1♥; then I prefer a raise to 2♥.

The previous two hands: 1) 1♣ followed by 3♣ - 2) 1NT.

Roland

[Chamaco]

Hand 1 has 2 features typical of suit oriented hands:

1) good suit

2) majority of honors are AK's


Therefore I shall open 1C and reverse at a 2nd round


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Hand 2 can instead be legitimately treated as a (semi)balanced hand, IMO, so I'll open 1NT

[Chamaco]

Winstonm, on Oct 1 2005, 09:43 PM, said:

Now, what do you open with this one?

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if pard is unpassed hand I'll open 1C and rebid 2c.

If pard is a passed hand, I'll open 1NT.

[mike777]

Chamaco, on Oct 1 2005, 07:05 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Oct 1 2005, 09:43 PM, said:

Now, what do you open with this one?

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if pard is unpassed hand I'll open 1C and rebid 2c.

If pard is a passed hand, I'll open 1NT.

1nt easy, next hand.

[Fluffy]

mike777, on Sep 30 2005, 09:34 PM, said:

1) prefer 1club then 3clubs but very close.
2) 1nt. easy./

This is my opinion also

[Fluffy]

Winstonm, on Oct 1 2005, 09:43 PM, said:

Now, what do you open with this one?

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1♣ opening , followed by 2♣ unless partner bids 1♥, then I would try 1NT better.

[Blofeld]

I don't understand the logic behind that, Fluffy. If partner bids 1♥, surely your hand looks more suited to suit play than if he bids anything else? And it makes your hand better, so doesn't 1NT become a big underbid?

[Winstonm]

Although I agree that 1N is certainly acceptable, I'm not sure I agree that it is the best bid.

When one opens 1N, overall HCP and texture is still the best way for responder to determine a pass, a try for game, or a game bid. Hands with considerable sources of tricks are not factored into this equation. As we would like to reach most games at imps that are >40%, it seems that showing the trick source is more important that anything else in this hand.

Scoring: IMP

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I cannot bring myself to raise a 1N opening here; however, I can easily raise a 2C over 1D rebid. It seems to me that we all agree that primes and length with a good suit makes a hand too good for 1N; if we extend that logic, isn't this hand either too good or too bad for 1N depending solely on partner's club holding? How can partner ever know that QJ2 of clubs makes the NT hand worth 8 tricks unless the club suit is emphasized?

Winston