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How much pressure?

Poll: What's your call? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. 2D (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  2. 2S (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. 3D (7 votes [18.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.42%

  4. 4D (8 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  5. 5D (18 votes [47.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.37%

  6. 6D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:00

Scoring: IMP

Partner deals and opens 1, RHO overcalls 1.

Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:03

Did partner really open 1C? from your poll options it looks like he opened 1D.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:06

2D if playing NFB
3D if playing Mike lawrence style.(standard)(NV)

I assume p opened 1club not 1D.

4D if partner opened 1D.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:21

Jlall, on Sep 28 2005, 11:03 AM, said:

Did partner really open 1C? from your poll options it looks like he opened 1D.

I corrected it Justin, thanks.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:33

lol this hand sucks...

First thought: 2D. No other higher bid really fits.
Second thought: white/red and you're bidding 2D?!?! Come on man, you have 3 major suit cards. Preempt it up. Bid 5D and apply the pressure.
Third thought: 5D?? Are you mad?? Partner's hand isnt defined here and this could just be a flyer. Bid 4D, suggesting good shape and not much defense. Let partner decide.
Fourth thought: 4D? That'd be a great thought if partner could bid 3N over it...but he can't. Bid 3D.
Fifth thought: 3D white red? Wouldn't you do this with much much less? You're too good for that. Bid 2S to show your playing strength.
Sixth thought: 2S? With no defense or HCP? You're gonna love when partner starts smackin em. Just abstain, this problem is too hard.

.........................................ahh.....lol.

I'm going to bid 4D on the basis that it describes my hand very well and 3N is unlikely to be the best spot. It puts partner in a good spot to judge what to do... but as you can see I'm not really convinced.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:33

5 diamonds.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 10:49

5. Opps probably have fits in both majors.

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Posted 2005-September-28, 11:08

Hannie, on Sep 28 2005, 07:00 PM, said:

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Partner deals and opens 1, RHO overcalls 1.

It would be interesting to see a simulation showing partners expected Diamond length.
In particular, what percentage of the time will partner have 3 Diamonds, which strongly suggests that partner is sitting on a 4432 13 count or some such.

KT63
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In this case:

1. The opponents best fit is in Hearts not Spades
2. Partner has a defensively oriented hand (his points more likely to be in the majors that in the minors)

An immediate 5 bid puts the opps under a lot of presssure, however, the bid could easy result in a phantom sac. It also bypasses 3N.

I'm bidding a tame 2, showing a game invitational hand with Diamond support.
Please note: If I wanted to throw a monkey wrench into the opponents auction, I'd bid 3 as a fit showing jump.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 11:44

I'm bidding 4--right on hand type and LOTT. I don't like trying for game. Too often partner will bid 3NT with a spades well stopped and they find a heart lead, leaving partner looking for six tricks from and the other three from heaven.

Playing a weak NT so that partner has 4+ diamond (usually 5+) or extra values, I'd bid 5 with confidence.

Like KS said, the biggest benefits of the weak NT come when you don't open it.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 11:47

Just 5 and live with the result.

I could drive myself silly with what pard might or might not have - oops sorry looks like Justin already did :D
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Posted 2005-September-28, 11:47

5D, though 4D has its merits.

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Posted 2005-September-28, 11:52

I want to cater to all of pard's options (including that nasty 18-19 hcp hand) and if we only have 20 hcp then 3D is a nice sensible, descriptive bid (by me? unpossible!) btw, how much pressure you apply to pard has to be considered too. :D )
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Posted 2005-September-28, 12:58

Any number of diamonds could be right here. Depends on what partner's hand is.

Incidently, I presume 1D is SAYC style, theoretically 3+ but only 3 if exactly 4432 shape. I vote for 3D, since I'm concerned he may have a good hand, but without much conviction.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 13:03

Houston, we have lift-off! :o 2 and 1/6 votes for 3D......(3D was one of Justin's 6 thoughts ;) ) :D Sorry Mike, I didn't include 1/2 for yours as it was under the assumption of a 1C opener ;)
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Posted 2005-September-28, 14:04

Hum.. a psychic 3NT? ;)
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Posted 2005-September-28, 15:29

4D.

Feels about right.

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Posted 2005-September-28, 17:21

:D Hurrah! I can use LOTT, FTL, and the principle of the last guess on the same hand.

FTL = 13-3-1 = 9 (-3 for the short suits and -1 [maybe -2] for our working HCP's)
LOTT = 10 + 9 [or 10 + 8 +1] = 19 (or maybe 18 on a very bad day)

5 looks to be a standout based on the most probable situation which is 10 or 11 tricks for them and 8 or 9 for us. There is no guarantee it will be so, but bid'em up and let them guess. I plan to pass their five of a major, but pard may have the right hand to take the rare six diamond save.

Curiously, I am more worried that partner may have a goodish hand than anything else. If there are 19 tricks split 10 for us and nine for them, then 5 falls between the cracks. However, I am only going to get one chance to bid in this auction, so I intend to make the best of it.

P.S. If partner has the dreaded (but thankfully rather rare) 4-4-3-2 distribution, then we may not escape unscathed in 5, but I refuse to play scared bridge EVER.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 17:32

Say hello equality.... in which one option is "other" {2NT} showing despirately weak preempt to 3. This hand is actually too good fo equality 2NT. That leaves 3.. showing long diamonds and smattering of good stuff. This way if the hand belongs to us, we haven't gone rocketmaning to 5 when 3NT is right. And if it is their hand, we have time to big again should we feel the need. Yes, to bid 3 then 5 is bad bridge, but to bid 5 when you have 9 tricks in NT, 5 tricks in either major, and 10 tricks in is bad too.
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Posted 2005-September-28, 18:01

4NT
In this case,4 is rkc
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Posted 2005-September-28, 21:00

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I bid 5D and the hand turned out to be echo-proof: partner made 11 tricks.

At the other table the bid was only 3D, and the opponents were able to compete. The final contract was 6H doubled by east-west, which rolled home after a diamond lead.

One hand proves nothing, but in my opinion the 3D bidder got exactly what he deserved: -19 IMPs.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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