[Al_U_Card]

Left field question; how many points does pard have? If you bid 1NT will you play it there when he has 3424 and 0-5 hcp? Do you want to? While he may be likely to hold 4 H, he is quite likely to hold 4 cards in a black suit and you have 2 of them. I would bid 1S at the table, but if 2D showed the blacks (I know that 4-4 is crappy for a Michael's type bid.) wouldn't it get you to the best contract (even if it was 3C)?

[Al_U_Card]

Jlall, on Sep 28 2005, 10:23 AM, said:

Chamaco, on Sep 28 2005, 10:15 AM, said:

Would you bid anyways 1S instead of 1NT if you held
AQT8-xx-A652-AKT2

With this hand I would bid 1N (but still hate my diamond spots, however now its just too good of a description).

I see some differences in these 2 hands.

The trick taking potential of the 14th card is worth its weight in procedural penalties.....

Since the extra H came from the C suit (I imagine, based on the nature of the post.) This hand must be a 1 NT overcall as it will bid and play just like a normal 1NT opener. (With the knowledge of the 1D bid of course adding to the fun....lol)

[jdeegan]

One spade with one NT a close second. Lack of diamond spots the deciding factor for me.

[joker_gib]

1♠ was my bid at the table.

Here is the full hand :

Scoring: IMP

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And it went :

(P) - P - (1♦) - 1♠
(X) - P - (2♦) - P
(2♥) - P - (P) - P

for 2 down and 100 in the good column.

Our teammates played 2♠-1 and we won 2 imps.

Not the most exciting hand of the match of course but we had a big discussion on that bid and I was wondering what you, guys, would do with this hand.

Tx all for the replies.

Alain

[adhoc3]

PASS

1) The 2 pass players have at least 8 ♥s cards, one of them will bid it.
2) If I bid 1S/1NT/Dbl, I really dont want to hear PD's 2♥ responce, which is very likely.
3) With 17HCP, I can cut into bidding whenever I want to.

To the worst, I passed and opps settled on 3/4♦, and actually we can make 2/3♠, maybe we will find out that some tables were on 4♠ and cant make it.

[pclayton]

I think if you overcall 1N, West might pull out a 2-suited gadget to show the majors. Could be nasty.

[Fluffy]

Chamaco, on Sep 28 2005, 03:15 PM, said:

A question to the 1S bidders(no sarcasm here, just curiosity to hear a different hand evaluation).

I agree that the diamond suit has no intermediates and Axxx might suggest a suit contract.

Would you bid anyways 1S instead of 1NT if you held
AQT8-xx-A652-AKT

instead of the original hand posted:
AQT8-A-A652-KT42

Here the quality of the stopper is the same (so the same considerations apply: positionality, empty suit to the Ace, if we belong in NT I want pard to bid it), so I wonder whether you would bid 1NT or 1S.
In my view the two hands should be bid with the same strategy(whichever you have chosen), but I'd like opinions.

I would bid 1NT, because 1♠ loses some power due to the ♥ doubleton, at the same time 1NT gets better by that, and the strenght fits better.

People might not agree on that, but despite other problems, when I come to deecide between 1♠ and 1NT with the 4144 I decide from wich one has more advantages, ,becaus eI think BOTH are CORRECT, not like many other problems when neither option is good .

[mikeh]

I agree with Fluffy. The second hand is significantly different from the first.

On the 1st, I would be very concerned that we could end up in a 5-1 ♥ fit should I bid 1N, while 1♠ has tremendous upside if partner holds 4 cards in the suit... even 3 will be good if he is short(ish) in ♦.

On the 2nd, the xx in ♥ is good for ♥, should partner hold 5, and bad for ♠, since it offers a tap suit should he be short(ish) in ♥.

Admittedly, the ♦ issue is the same, but bidding decisions on complex hands rarely turn on a single issue.

I do not 'like' 1♠ on the posted hand, altho I believe it to be best, and I do not 'like' 1N on the second, but, again, I consider it to be best.

[mike777]

joker_gib, on Sep 29 2005, 03:40 AM, said:

1♠ was my bid at the table.

Here is the full hand :

Scoring: IMP

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And it went :

(P) - P - (1♦) - 1♠
(X) - P - (2♦) - P
(2♥) - P - (P) - P

for 2 down and 100 in the good column.

Our teammates played 2♠-1 and we won 2 imps.

Not the most exciting hand of the match of course but we had a big discussion on that bid and I was wondering what you, guys, would do with this hand.

Tx all for the replies.

Alain

I really like the west/east hands here as a bidding quiz.

No one mentioned west passing with 7 hcp but 4 in enemy suit, and void in partner's opening bid? Not really a trap pass but with partner expected to have a wk nt 11-13 hcp very often is not pass and let the opp's get in trouble an option?

As east hand I would just pass if bidding goes:
1d=1s=p=p
p?

On the theory if I am going to open light then I need to stop bidding, fast.

[joker_gib]

Jlall, on Sep 29 2005, 04:02 PM, said:

I would have cracked 2H in passout seat (hoping to get to 2H X or clubs).

I considered it of course but knowing that after the dbl that partner had probably nothing, I refrain from doubling.


Alain