Sacrifice or pass?
#1
Posted 2005-September-27, 02:59
NV vs V you hold:
♠ AT9x
♥ x
♦ 7xxx
♣ KJ9x
RHO you LHO pard
1NT..pass...2♣...2♦
2♥.....3♦.....4♥..pass
pass...??
4♥ was bid in a confident manner. Do you sacrifice or pass?
#2
Posted 2005-September-27, 04:19
#3
Posted 2005-September-27, 04:33
Pass.
You could have made it harder
for them, bidding 4D instead of 3D.
Also you should have decided, what
do at the time you made the 3D bid.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#4
Posted 2005-September-27, 04:52
"It's no sacrifice, at all", as Elton John so rightly points out in one of his best songs. "Sacrifice" is the title in case some of you didn't know. Maybe he plays bridge too.
Roland
#5
Posted 2005-September-27, 04:57
P_Marlowe, on Sep 27 2005, 10:33 AM, said:
Pass.
You could have made it harder
for them, bidding 4D instead of 3D.
Also you should have decided, what
do at the time you made the 3D bid.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Ditto.
At previous bidding round, bid directly the number of diamonds you are wiling to go up to, and then let pard decide, passing throughout.
#6
Posted 2005-September-27, 04:58
Alain
#8 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:00
#9
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:06
And, after you can always "adjust" your post-mortem.
#10 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:07
#11
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:21
Looks like 4H is a make so I can't fault North for hoping to buy the hand, but once they bid game (confidently because that was his intention all along if he found a major fit) I like the sac....(sorry Roland
#12
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:48
Al_U_Card, on Sep 27 2005, 09:21 AM, said:
Erm ... why?
I don't know enough about this auction to bid any higher. If I'd wanted to, I would have done it last round.
#13
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:53
Walddk, on Sep 27 2005, 02:52 AM, said:
"It's no sacrifice, at all", as Elton John so rightly points out in one of his best songs. "Sacrifice" is the title in case some of you didn't know. Maybe he plays bridge too.
Roland
I pulled the lines from Sacrifice to jog my memory.
"Some things look better - just passing through"
Aptly describes this hand. Pass!
#14
Posted 2005-September-27, 08:57
Jlall, on Sep 27 2005, 09:07 AM, said:
That's why post-mortem is so important
#15
Posted 2005-September-27, 09:58
However, neither am I sacrificing.
I have good defensive values and there is no rule that says partner cannot contribute something useful.
Furthermore, bidding 3♦ and then saving is a violation of a pretty basic rule of competitive bidding. Your 3♦ bid applied no pressure to the opps, so that they have had an opportunity to define their hands: dummy's 4♥ bid was not under pressure.
Thus bidding 5♦ now allows them to make an informed decision.
BTW, I am not advocating a 4♦ raise earlier. I feel that bidding 4 of a minor in an auction is which the opps may be forced to stretch to bid a major suit game is generally a losing proposition. You force them to guess to bid a game and then you feel pressured to save?
4minor should send a specific message to partner: I like it to say that I am interested in saving but do not have the shape I'd need to bid 5m myself: it allows partner to make the decision based on his hand.
So, for me, I would either bid as shown or jump to 5♦ over 2♥. With this much defence, I raise to 3♦. Reverse my pointed suits: ♠xxxx ♦Axxx and I'd bid 5♦ immediately (who knows, it might even make
#16
Posted 2005-September-27, 10:17
Just a simple word
Its two hearts living
In two separate worlds
But its no sacrifice
No sacrifice
Its no sacrifice at all
The more I think about, the more I am convinced that Elton John had this hand in mind when he decided to compose the music to "Sacrifice". Lyrics written by Bernie Taupin, by the way.
That simple word he is referring to must be ......... pass!
Roland
#17
Posted 2005-September-27, 12:07
whereagles, on Sep 27 2005, 03:59 AM, said:
NV vs V you hold:
♠ AT9x
♥ x
♦ 7xxx
♣ KJ9x
RHO you LHO pard
1NT..pass...2♣...2♦
2♥.....3♦.....4♥..pass
pass...??
4♥ was bid in a confident manner. Do you sacrifice or pass?
Seems to me that initially the auction might have been the 2♣ bidder has nothing and is trying to get out because my pard has just shown a solid suit and values. The chance that pard might just be looking for a lead and/or a profitable sac zooms up when the opps carry on like we didn't bid! Not playing transfer advances over the 2♦-2♥ makes it hard to show your values, but bid 3♦ so as not to hang pard when he was looking for a ♦ lead against 3NT with KQJx(x).
Unless the opps are certifiable, (does occur startlingly frequently in the main room) they are certainly not sacrificing against our D partscore......but are they guessing? Not likely when he could bid 3♥ over you to invite the NT opener.
#18
Posted 2005-September-27, 12:19
Walddk, on Sep 27 2005, 11:17 AM, said:
Just a simple word
Its two hearts living
In two separate worlds
But its no sacrifice
No sacrifice
Its no sacrifice at all
The more I think about, the more I am convinced that Elton John had this hand in mind when he decided to compose the music to "Sacrifice". Lyrics written by Bernie Taupin, by the way.
That simple word he is referring to must be ......... pass!
Roland
To sacrifice (in English at least, and that is Bernie's native tongue...) means "to make an offering to appease a higher power", or at least "to deny oneself something for the sake of another". Watching them roll into 4H when pard says "Geez, I even had a play for 5♦....."
#19
Posted 2005-September-27, 16:12
I think the correct bid is 3♠ you show values in spades, support for diamonds and you allow pd to sacrifice in 4♠ if he has 4 cards in spades.
I think the 2♦ bid at this vul can be oriented to look for a sacrifice so I bid 3♠ suggesting a 4♠ sacrifice and a hand not sure about the merits of 5♦ (otherwise I would have bid 4♠).
Luis
#20
Posted 2005-September-27, 16:25
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