[adhoc3]

Glad to be the 1st voted 1♦-1NT, lol.

1♦ opening maybe mindless, strength not enough for reverse(both hcp and suit quality), so I cant open 1♣. PD's 1♥ was a bad news so I decided not to mention my ♣ anymore, OOOOOPS, why dont open a longer suit if I proposed to to hide another?

But no need worry!

1) PD 2NT invite, 3NT accept with no hesitation;
2) PD 2♣ CBS or NMF, which he is quite comfortable, easy 2♠;
3) PD 2♦ or pass, fine, wait opps' balance;
4) PD ................

Those ♣s are too ugly to mention after your 1♥, partner, that's not my fault.



Queston To: 1C opener

What would you bid if your pd's responce was not 1♥, but 1NT?

This post has been edited by adhoc3: 2005-September-21, 01:55

[Fluffy]

The bare Ace makes the hand downgrade, so we aren't strong enoguh to reverse nor to open 1NT, we have 2 options:

open 1♣ and after the bad news of 1♥ rebid 1♠.


open 1♦ foreseeing partner will bid 1♥ and rebid 2♣.

Both seem sensible, suit quality makes me think first is better.

[Chamaco]

A further question on the evaluation of such hand types.

I agree it's a marginal 15 count: downgradeable for the stiff Ace, and slightly upgradeable for the 5 card suit and the Q98 cluster in the 5 card suit (that's why I reevaluated it as a 15 count).

The question is related to my habit of "systematically upgrading" bad 15 hcp (and often very good 14 count) to a 1NT opening whenever I do not have a 4 card major: I do this in order to make it harder for opps to compete if they have the majors.

Any thoughts about this habit ? (Please be nice )

[Al_U_Card]

Chamaco, on Sep 21 2005, 07:56 AM, said:

A further question on the evaluation of such hand types.

I agree it's a marginal 15 count: downgradeable for the stiff Ace, and slightly upgradeable for the 5 card suit and the Q98 cluster in the 5 card suit (that's why I reevaluated it as a 15 count).

The question is related to my habit of "systematically upgrading" bad 15 hcp (and often very good 14 count) to a 1NT opening whenever I do not have a 4 card major: I do this in order to make it harder for opps to compete if they have the majors.

Any thoughts about this habit ? (Please be nice  )

If you could show your hand to pard (oops, isn't that what bidding is all about?) would he agree with your estimation/re-evaluation? That should be the criterion. When he gets what he expects he will be a lot happier with the final contract.

Personally, I only upgrade or downgrade hands that "qualify" for typical bids, not the exceptions. Too many cooks spoil the broth.....

[Chamaco]

Al_U_Card, on Sep 21 2005, 02:57 PM, said:

If you could show your hand to pard (oops, isn't that what bidding is all about?) would he agree with your estimation/re-evaluation?  That should be the criterion.

LOL !
Sure, that applies to every upgrade/downgrade/offshape bid :-)

Let's say that *if my pard did it* I would not have anything to object (for us, hands with stifff honors are treated as balanced routinely),
but I am asking the opinions of the BBF friends here, later I'll discuss it with pard !

[Jurek S]

1NT, but only cos of ♣98 and after 3min. hesitation ....
Oh, well after 1min more 1♣ and 1NT

[luke warm]

1D then 2C for me

[awm]

A question for those who often open 1♦ and rebid 2♣ with 4♦+5♣:

What is responder expected to do with a 2533 invitational hand? Say something like:

xx
AQxxx
Qxx
Kxx

With most of my partners I would bid 3♦, but my partners guarantee 5♦+4♣ on this auction so I'm jumping into a real fit. Playing 3-minor on a 4-3 fit with something like 23 high doesn't really appeal to me, and this is potentially a much more serious problem than reaching the correct partial when responder is weak. Perhaps 4th suit is used as a non-GF asking bid? I'm just curious what methods people use to sort out the longer minor on these hands, or whether people just ignore the problem.

[luke warm]

1d then 2c isn't perfect, hands can be created easily enough showing why.. but neither are the alternatives perfect.. another vote for canape i guess

[jdeegan]

Awkward hand. Different treatment at IMPs versus matchpoints. At matchpoints I would probably open 1♣ or 1♦ and rebid 1 NT. At IMPs I'm gonna open 1♦ and rebid 2♣ on the theory that looking for a game is more important than finding the better part score.

[Winstonm]

I open 1D and bid 2C as my partners are never allowed to be 2/2 in the minors.