[inquiry]

SoTired, on Sep 16 2005, 01:38 PM, said:

Ben, is that a commonly accepted response structure to multi-2D?

If you held this hand 10 times, passing and saving a trick in diam 9 times when partner has a weak-2 will be washed away by the 1 time you miss the grand.

I hope you went up and read my first response where I said "DON'T PASS".... passing 2♦ is wrong imho. So don't try to restate my position. Now, I happened to have the hand that opened 2♦ and my partner passed... so I was just relating what happened... I would have bid a forcing "value showing" 3♦ at these colors, and then over 3M tried four diamonds. I feel tey have too good a chance to make game if i pass... turns out the pass did its own dirty work.....

[han]

Both sides were vulnerable, sorry for not mentioning this.

I had the hand and passed. I appreciate all the comments, I don't have much experience with multi 2D and clearly it was wrong to pass.

I didn't mention that south took a really long time before passing. I didn't want the discussion to be centered around this fact, but I did tell Ben this right after the hand (table feel Ben, remember? :-) ). Since it was online and the whole table (including south) was having a discussion of BBO scoring (and whether the highest and lowest scores should be dropped for comparison) it may very well be that this hesitation had nothing to do with south's hand. However, I did think that south had a good hand, so it seemed absolutely clear that partner had a preempt. Passing gained 7.6 IMPs, this would have been much more if more of the field got to 4S.

Did north have a clear balance over 2D? I'm not sure. Did south have a clear 2S overcall? I don't think so.

BTW I don't think that bidding 5D vulnerable is the way to go, partner has warned you of the misfit. 3D constructive but non-forcing is nice if available, 2H and 2S both seem reasonable options.

[Al_U_Card]

Hannie, on Sep 16 2005, 01:41 PM, said:

Passing gained 7.6 IMPs, this would have been much more if more of the field got to 4S.

What were the 16 traveller results for this hand?

[pmacfar]

Not too long ago in a local club game, I picked up a hand with eight spades to the AK, Qxx in hearts and Qx in clubs and my partner opened 1NT.

Figuring that partners points were mostly outside the spade suit and that he held at least two spades, I made a 2H transfer bid and then went into Blackwood, ending in 6S, figuring that the only way it would go down was if my LHO had all three missing spades topped by the Q.

Partner had Jx in spades, which split 2-1, and AK in both hearts and clubs, making 7.

Got a top score on that board.

Phil

[inquiry]

Al_U_Card, on Sep 16 2005, 02:48 PM, said:

Hannie, on Sep 16 2005, 01:41 PM, said:

Passing gained 7.6 IMPs, this would have been much more if more of the field got to 4S.

What were the 16 traveller results for this hand?

Nº Result Points Score
1 4♥xE-3 800 9.27
2 5♦xW-3 800 9.27
3 5♦xW-3 800 9.27
4 4♠S= 620 5.93
5 4♠S= 620 5.93
6 5♦xW-2 500 3.73
7 5♥E-4 400 1.73
8 5♦W-3 300 -0.4
9 5♦W-3 300 -0.4
10 5♦W-2 200 -2.47
11 4♥E-2 200 -2.47
12 3♦W-1 100 -4.4
13 2♦E= -90 -7.6
14 3♦W= -110 -8.07
15 6♠S-2 -200 -9.67
16 5♠xS-1 -200 -9.67

Where square = diamonds

[Al_U_Card]

Tnx Ben, so the "par" result would be?

[SoTired]

Ben, I was serious. You said: 3D is forcing, 4D=5h,4s, and 5D was to play. I really want to know if that is part of a commonly accepted response structure. I hope you haven't taken offense at my normal arrogant style of writing. Maybe I need to pepper my posts with more smileys.

[inquiry]

SoTired, on Sep 16 2005, 03:15 PM, said:

Ben, I was serious. You said: 3D is forcing, 4D=5h,4s, and 5D was to play. I really want to know if that is part of a commonly accepted response structure. I hope you haven't taken offense at my normal arrogant style of writing. Maybe I need to pepper my posts with more smileys.

Well it wasn't the part about is this standard. (there are plenty of standard response schemes, the one I use is very rarely used... most people play 2♦-4♥ as pass correct, But sometimes partner opens 2♦ and you hold a GREAT heart suit, and you want to express THIS IS MY DARN SUIT... so I use jumps to 4♥ (and 4♠ as my suit... so I move pass/correct bids to 3NT (4-4 in majorss), 4C (5 Hearts, 4 Spades) and 4D (4H, 5S). This is also useful if partner has the bid old hand hand as he can pick best spot now.

What I was responding to was this quote...

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If you held this hand 10 times, passing and saving a trick in diam 9 times when partner has a weak-2 will be washed away by the 1 time you miss the grand.

Where you counted the number of times a pass was made and good versus bad things happened... I assure you that I would never pass with this hand, and I told Hannie that when he tabled the hand (I then thanked him as I knew we had stolen then blind...and were is a nice and safe contract... my superior playing skill managed to win 7D (with that eight card suit and I had ♦Tx), and the heart ACE.... not quite sure how I could fall out of those... .

[Al_U_Card]

inquiry, on Sep 16 2005, 02:37 PM, said:

... my superior playing skill managed to win 7D (with that eight card suit and I had ♦Tx), and the heart ACE.... not quite sure how I could fall out of those... .

Perhaps you were writing out your MisIry challenge posts while you played?...roflmao

[lenze]

I once tabled a 6 card suit, and at the time remarked THAT was a record!! The previous record was 4!!!

[akhare]

It's going to be some number of ♦s for sure -- non vul -- 5♦ seems pretty good; if not 3♦ followed by 4♦ if pard bids a major...