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Responding to partner's negative double
#2
Posted 2012-February-13, 10:43
Partner has shown both minors, or a hand that can cope with whatever I do when I bid on that assumption, so I bid my better minor.
2N, which so far has garnered the only two other votes, strikes me as very weird. I understand the stopperless 1N we often have to perpetrate for lack of better options, but 2N is not an equivalent call.
After a stopperless 1N, the partnership has lots of room to explore the right contract and to find out if a stopper exists. Such room really doesn't exist at the 3 level. And a 1-level overcall can be based on a weak hand, whereas few players overcall at the 2-level without decent values, and, often, a 6 card suit.
One of the statements made in an old Bridge World, discussing the stopperless 1N when it was a novel idea, was to the effect that once the opps run their suit, we'll take the rest. Which is fine when all we need is 7 tricks and the opps rate to run only 5 in theirs. The dynamics are far different when there is a good chance that they will run 6 tricks, and that the opps have extra values in addition, and we are one or two tricks higher.
2N, which so far has garnered the only two other votes, strikes me as very weird. I understand the stopperless 1N we often have to perpetrate for lack of better options, but 2N is not an equivalent call.
After a stopperless 1N, the partnership has lots of room to explore the right contract and to find out if a stopper exists. Such room really doesn't exist at the 3 level. And a 1-level overcall can be based on a weak hand, whereas few players overcall at the 2-level without decent values, and, often, a 6 card suit.
One of the statements made in an old Bridge World, discussing the stopperless 1N when it was a novel idea, was to the effect that once the opps run their suit, we'll take the rest. Which is fine when all we need is 7 tricks and the opps rate to run only 5 in theirs. The dynamics are far different when there is a good chance that they will run 6 tricks, and that the opps have extra values in addition, and we are one or two tricks higher.
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#3
Posted 2012-February-13, 11:02
Poky, on 2012-February-13, 10:00, said:
we have pretty much a piece of junk minimum and bid 3c P knows
we would prefer to bid 2n if we had a heart stop. If p needs
a partial heart stop they can now bid 3h to ask for one and
we will dutifully bid 3n. If p is short in hearts the fact
that we lack a heart stopper might allow us to reach a minor
suit game we might otherwise miss. 2n would keep us from
finding that game.
#4
Posted 2012-February-13, 11:11
Since mike hates 2NT, that must obviously be my choice
Now seriously.. I believe in shape/strength before stoppers. 2NT just means a minimum balanced hand and that's what I have.
Now seriously.. I believe in shape/strength before stoppers. 2NT just means a minimum balanced hand and that's what I have.
#5
Posted 2012-February-13, 13:21
This hand is really brutal, my standard with this shape is to bid 2S but I don't think I can stomach it on 5 to the jack.
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#6
Posted 2012-February-13, 13:24
JLOGIC, on 2012-February-13, 13:21, said:
This hand is really brutal, my standard with this shape is to bid 2S but I don't think I can stomach it on 5 to the jack.
I almost posted the same: KQxxx would get me bidding 2♠ in a heartbeat (no pun intended)...so....given that we agree that 2♠ is 'out', and given that the rules of bridge do not allow 'abstain' as a sufficient or legal call...what's your poison?
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#8
Posted 2012-February-13, 19:44
3C WTP for me, Im not afraid to raise to 2S with Hx and extras values so here im not even tempted to bid 2S/2Nt
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#9
Posted 2012-February-14, 05:33
I would bid 2 ♠,
I thought it is quite common to rebid his suit with a hand where no bid seems to be right, so partner won't expect more then this in spades. But I guess I should ask him, what 2 NT/3minor/3Heart now shows/aks.
I thought it is quite common to rebid his suit with a hand where no bid seems to be right, so partner won't expect more then this in spades. But I guess I should ask him, what 2 NT/3minor/3Heart now shows/aks.
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Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#10
Posted 2012-February-15, 09:37
3♣ - partner's asked me to bid my better minor, not some gosh-awful spade abomination.
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Simplify the complicated side; don't complify the simplicated side.
#11
Posted 2012-February-15, 11:32
Although 2♠ doesnt promise anything more than our opening did, but still like mikeh and Jlogic - cant stand 2♠ with that suit, and AQx in a partners suit, so 3♣ for me.....on KJxxx,JTx,Ax,Axx would bid 2♠. Would never think of bidding 2NT without a stopper.
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