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GCC compliant Suction with some modifications can it work?

#1 User is offline   biggerclub 

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Posted 2015-November-28, 23:24

For a discussion on whether Suction is GCC compliant or not see here.

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GCC states:
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b) natural no trump opening bids and overcalls, except that direct calls,
other than the following, must have at least one known suit.
- Double
- Two Clubs
- Two Diamonds showing a one suited hand in hearts or spades


So (1NT) and then:

x = transfer to but if then = red suits, or = + or = + (weakish)
2 = transfer to but if then = MAJs or = + (weakish)
2 = one suited s or s
2 = + minor (INV)
2 = + minor (INV)
2NT = minors

Over strong bids (1 or 2):

x = transfer to but if then = MAJs or = + minor (weakish)
= transfer to but if then = + minor (stronger)
= transfer to but if then NT or = minors (strong/weak)
= transfer to but if then = red suits
NT = relay to better minor with 6-5 or better distribution in any two suits
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Posted 2015-November-30, 13:41

I don't think you have interpreted the regulatory guidelines of the GCC properly. As I read it, any conventional defensive bid after a strong (15+ HCP), artificial, and forcing opening bid (e.g., Precision 1C) is allowed.

Numbered paragraphs 7 and 8 under the COMPETITIVE section say this is so.

Number 7 says that (all) defenses to conventional calls (with some exceptions) are allowed. A strong, artificial, and forcing 1C opening is a conventional call and it is not an exception specified by the referenced other regulations.

Furthermore, Number 8 says that numbered paragraphs 4 through 10 under RESPONSES AND REBIDS apply to both pairs. You will note that numbered paragraph 7 under RESPONSES AND REBIDS specifically allows all artificial and conventional calls after a Precision-like 1C opening.

Under the GCC, you can play ANYTHING you want after a strong, artificial, and forcing 1C opening.
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Posted 2015-November-30, 14:15

View PostCaitlynne, on 2015-November-30, 13:41, said:

Under the GCC, you can play ANYTHING you want after a strong, artificial, and forcing 1C opening.

The OP was asking about bidding over a 1NT opening as well. I assume that the regulation you quoted does not apply there.

Is it possible to avoid the problem by not playing in GCC games?
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Posted 2015-November-30, 16:02

View PostVampyr, on 2015-November-30, 14:15, said:

Is it possible to avoid the problem by not playing in GCC games?

Probably, but 99% (at least) of duplicate games in North America are GCC.
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Posted 2015-November-30, 17:31

View Postblackshoe, on 2015-November-30, 16:02, said:

Probably, but 99% (at least) of duplicate games in North America are GCC.


If it's a club game, you could apply to the management to allow a method. I think that most clubs would be amenable; they may require a write-up posted in advance. This is how eg forcing pass is played in clubs around here.

At tournaments I think that there are always non-GCC events available?
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Posted 2015-November-30, 17:47

View PostVampyr, on 2015-November-30, 17:31, said:


At tournaments I think that there are always non-GCC events available?


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Posted 2015-November-30, 18:35

View Posthrothgar, on 2015-November-30, 17:47, said:

I haven't laughed this hard in days
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Posted 2015-December-02, 15:42

View PostVampyr, on 2015-November-30, 17:31, said:

If it's a club game, you could apply to the management to allow a method. I think that most clubs would be amenable; they may require a write-up posted in advance. This is how eg forcing pass is played in clubs around here.

At tournaments I think that there are always non-GCC events available?

At Nationals, yes. At lower levels, depends on the District. In District 4 (Central NY, Eastern PA, MD, DE), no. at least not in my part of it.
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Posted 2015-December-15, 04:37

You could probably improve this by having X->2 show 4,5+ and 2->2 show 4,5+. This allows the 2 overcall to promise a 5 card spade suit. You could of course do the same with X->2, making it 4,5+m (and the 2 overcall in turn promise 5 hearts) with another possibility having both X->2 and 2->2 show the majors with one showing better hearts and the other showing better spades.
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