[TWO4BRIDGE]

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Responder
9 8 7 x
Q J 10 9 x
K Q
x x

1D - 1H
3D - ??

[mike777]

I will try 3s but can understand other choices.

fwiw I like to play 3d promises shortness somewhere...else try and open or rebid nt.

[helene_t]

3♥. Partner is allowed to raise on a doubleton but that might be good.

[Codo]

3 ♠

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Opener
A Q x
A K 8
A T 9 x x x
x

4H makes ( most likely with an overtrick ) ; 3NT off 1 ( ♣ were 5-5 ); 5D also makes

[Cyberyeti]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-March-22, 17:08, said:

Opener
A Q x
A K 8
A T 9 x x x
x

4H makes ( most likely with an overtrick ) ; 3NT off 1 ( ♣ were 5-5 ); 5D also makes

Been in much worse contracts than 6 of either red suit.

[the hog]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-March-22, 17:08, said:

Opener
A Q x
A K 8
A T 9 x x x
x

4H makes ( most likely with an overtrick ) ; 3NT off 1 ( ♣ were 5-5 ); 5D also makes

Opener bid 3D on this hand. Sorry, but that bid is obscene unless it shows a 3 card H fit. (Before someone comments, it does in some versions of Polish Club).

[Free]

I also don't like the 3♦ rebid. This isn't even a classic hand of death, the ♦ suit isn't good enough for that.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-March-22, 17:08, said:

Opener
A Q x
A K 8
A T 9 x x x
x

4H makes ( most likely with an overtrick ) ; 3NT off 1 ( ♣ were 5-5 ); 5D also makes

What would be your alternative rebid ( instead of 3D ... assuming you "never" raise ♥ with only 3 card support .... or is this an exception ) ?

[Free]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-March-23, 06:44, said:

What would be your alternative rebid ( instead of 3D ... assuming you "never" raise ♥ with only 3 card support .... or is this an exception ) ?

Without special agreements I'd rather bid 2♠ followed by 3♥ (if I get the chance). On this hand responder will raise ♠ and we may end up in 4♠ on this fine collection (when 4♥ next isn't considered natural). Very playable and brings a bit of excitement to the table.

[mike777]

I dont mind 3d here, there is no perfect bid and 2h or 2s just causes more problems.

Jump rebids in a minor always have quite a wide range and quality.

[FrancesHinden]

I'd bid 3H with the North hand after 3D. 3S might be 4-4 in the majors just looking for partner to show a club stop.
3D is the normal rebid on that hand. You might not like it on that shape and without better diamonds, but it gives an idea of the shape and strength. Lacking an artificial call to show 3-6 in the reds, 3D would certainly be my rebid.

p.s. what's wrong with 6D as a contract? Just seems to need diamonds 3-2 or singleton J. You aren't going to get there easily but it's pretty bizarre to end in 3NT

[TWO4BRIDGE]

FrancesHinden, on 2013-March-23, 08:40, said:

p.s. what's wrong with 6D as a contract? Just seems to need diamonds 3-2 or singleton J. You aren't going to get there easily but it's pretty bizarre to end in 3NT

Diam split 4-1 .... East held: J x x x

[bluecalm]

Normally it's an easy pass as hand as strong as the one you presented goes via some kind of convention (forcing "polish" 2NT, multi reverse 2S etc.).

Unfortunately standard american way to play is leaky as a sieve in this situation so you have to guess. My advice is to find some kind of systemic solution for that problem instead of trying to improve your judgement in this spot as you gain a lot of from a convention here an basically nothing from evaluation (as even perfect player would arrive at many hopeless contracts).

My opinion is that reverse (2S here and 2H after 1S) meaning only "I have good 16+hcp" is easy and good way to play (after that you bid old suits with very weak hands and 2NT with GF hands leaving plenty of space to investigate).
3D should be reserved for invites. It's standard and good bidding principle: "jump with old suit is an invite". You want to bid it with something like: AJx Kx KQTxxxx x, not with 17hcp with support.

[fromageGB]

I would rebid 3♥ happily, and don't like anything else. I think 4♦ is a bit committing.

With the opener hand, I can accept 3♦ as not perfect, but better than most options. 3♥ is an alternative I would consider, but I don't like 2♠. I would never be able to get back to hearts after partner's raise.

[the hog]

What would I bid rather than the obscene 3D? I would much prefer a gadget of some description - mine is 2NT!
I am amazed that Frances would choose 3D here.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

bluecalm, on 2013-March-23, 10:06, said:

Normally it's an easy pass as hand as strong as the one you presented goes via some kind of convention (forcing "polish" 2NT, multi reverse 2S etc.).

I have a "Multi-Reverse" of 2S over 1H response ( GGG = Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget which I have posted before.. ad nauseam ), but did not have it with this partner:

1D - 1H
2S! ( may be artificial )
..... - 2NT! ( asks )
??
..3C! ( other minor = ♠ are real; 4s, no 3h )
..3D ( no 4s, no 3h, long ♦ )
..3H ( no 4s, 3h, 5+d )
..3S ( 4s and 3h )

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EDIT: Sooo, w/o the 2S! agreement, I chose the " obscene/leaky as a sieve " .. 3D-jump .

Edit2: 2S! should also announce a GF. This one seems a tad shy but I think can be upgraded because of stellar ♥ support and a stiff .

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2013-March-24, 17:40

[FrancesHinden]

the hog, on 2013-March-23, 19:35, said:

What would I bid rather than the obscene 3D? I would much prefer a gadget of some description - mine is 2NT!
I am amazed that Frances would choose 3D here.

If I played a gadget (which I do) I would use it (2S-2NT-3D = 3-6 invite)
But not playing a gadget I see no alternative to 3D. It's not worth a game force.

[the hog]

FrancesHinden, on 2013-March-24, 17:13, said:

If I played a gadget (which I do) I would use it (2S-2NT-3D = 3-6 invite)
But not playing a gadget I see no alternative to 3D. It's not worth a game force.

Fair enough. I guess we don't know if OP has gadget or not. I suspect not.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

the hog, on 2013-March-24, 18:05, said:

Fair enough. I guess we don't know if OP has gadget or not. I suspect not.

See my post # 17