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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2012-March-11, 07:04

Yesterday I had 2 similar hands playing in the local club:

AJ109753
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2
QJ963


1-1
3-??




AQJ984
QJ64
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1063


1-1
3
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Posted 2012-March-11, 07:59

First hand, is the jump shift GF for you ? If so, just bid 4 as although 5 is exclusion, it doesn't give you space to untangle the spade holding opposite.

Second hand, don't have this problem, can bid 2 first time. Say 1-2(single suited and huge, or GF, 5 good , 4 decent )-3-5(agreeing , exclusion), if partner has x, AKxxx, AKQJx, xx, tough). 5N to find K if all keycards held as partner will bid 5 with 3.
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Posted 2012-March-11, 08:44

View PostFluffy, on 2012-March-11, 07:04, said:

AQJ984
QJ64
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1063

The 2nd hand, we could use Zelandakh's splinter system:

1H - 3S! ( void splinter somewhere )
3NT! ( asks ) - 4D! ( - void )
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall

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Posted 2012-March-11, 09:01

1. A practical 4NT for me. If pard has 0-3 keys, bid a conservative 6. If he shows 1-4 instead, go for the ambitious 7.

2. In french style, this is a 3 wtp?
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Posted 2012-March-11, 12:55

4 on the first and 3 on the second.

There will be hard decisions later but I don't see much we can do on this round to avoid that.
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Posted 2012-March-11, 16:33

4C on the first. On the second one I'll bid 4D over 1H - support with support, etc.

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Posted 2012-March-11, 18:22

I bid 4 and 3 the continuations should be:

1-1
3-4
4



1-1
3-3
4


what next?
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Posted 2012-March-11, 18:48

I'd rebid 3 on the 1st hoping to show the support later.

On the follow-ups, 4 cue with both, though on the 2nd I'm concerned about losers so might sign off in 4, and definitely would if playing Italian cues.
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Posted 2012-March-12, 19:17

4 on the first - could 3 be 3 a card suit? if yes this should show 5, lucky I have 5 then!

3 on the second.

Set trumps on both and lets go exploring for slams :-)
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Posted 2012-March-13, 07:54

View PostFluffy, on 2012-March-11, 07:04, said:

AJ109753
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2
QJ963


1-1
3-??


On the 1st one :
4D ... Ctrl cue showing support for Opener's 2nd suit ( ) .
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( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall

" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh

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Posted 2012-March-14, 02:14

There is a problem with 4 o the first one.

You can never find out that partner has x or xx, this has 2 issues, first that you cannot know if 7 can be made, and second is that you cannot play 6 instead of 6 at MPs.

I tried 4 and ended up in 6, partner had xx AQxxx A AK10xx, KQ was stiff behind so 6 might or might not make



Second one was just for fun, partner had - AKxxxx AKxxx Jx Opening leader has AQx, and on my local 80% of the 20 table field bid and made 6 on a non club lead, wich is ludicrous not only because nobody found lack of club control nor led a club, but also because 13 tricks are easy if you manage dummy's entries enough.

Showing controls etc and getting a club lead due to it for +450 was worth 5% of the MPs.
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