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#1 User is offline   Bbradley62 

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Posted 2011-November-02, 10:12

Why does the description of 1 get limited to very few characters, whereas the description of 4 doesn't?


Of course, I copied this from myhands...
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Posted 2011-November-03, 03:51

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-November-02, 10:12, said:

Why does the description of 1 get limited to very few characters, whereas the description of 4 doesn't?

I presume that all hands that bid 4 would have the characteristics stated. But surely the 4 bid won't be in the 19-21 bracket, or there is not much point North making a slam try if it gets rejected by all South hands! And South passed on the previous round, and did not double, so he must be minimum.

I like the 8421 HCP in diamonds principle - does anyone have a definition of that?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 05:19

If the description goes outside the frame it gets cut. 4d is cut too on the right edge, where the scroll bar is.

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Posted 2011-November-03, 07:48

View Postlamford, on 2011-November-03, 03:51, said:

I presume that all hands that bid 4 would have the characteristics stated. But surely the 4 bid won't be in the 19-21 bracket, or there is not much point North making a slam try if it gets rejected by all South hands! And South passed on the previous round, and did not double, so he must be minimum.

A discussion of North's strange bidding is in the GIB forum. http://www.bridgebas...phrenic-raises/
In this forum, I'm trying to point out a problem with explanations in general.

View Postlamford, on 2011-November-03, 03:51, said:

I like the 8421 HCP in diamonds principle - does anyone have a definition of that?

http://www.bridgebas...ystem_notes.php
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Posted 2011-November-03, 07:52

View Postdiana_eva, on 2011-November-03, 05:19, said:

If the description goes outside the frame it gets cut. 4d is cut too on the right edge, where the scroll bar is.

Then maybe the software can be modified to begin all explanations at the far left side of the auction box, instead of at a point relative to the position of the bid being described?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 13:19

View Postdiana_eva, on 2011-November-03, 05:19, said:

If the description goes outside the frame it gets cut. 4d is cut too on the right edge, where the scroll bar is.

But it's starting much further to the left, so it has much more room before it gets cut off.

And it's not just because the 4 bid is to the left in the bidding diagram. I measured the distance between the start of the description and the correspoding bid, and it's much shorter for 1 than 4.

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Posted 2011-November-03, 13:44

Yes i see that. There's probably a formatting issue there.

My comment was meant to clarify that this is not a GIB description bug (for the readers who would be tempted to search for the bug in the content of the explanation and not in the layout)

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Posted 2011-November-03, 14:53

I think Bradley understood that, since he posted it here rather than the GIB forum (he's a regular there for posting complaints about GIB's bid descriptions), but you're right that others may not have understood.

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Posted 2011-November-03, 15:41

I think of those posts more as "reports of inconsistencies" or "suggestions for improvements" than "complaints". :rolleyes:
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Posted 2011-November-03, 17:39

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-November-03, 07:48, said:

A discussion of North's strange bidding is in the GIB forum. http://www.bridgebas...phrenic-raises/
In this forum, I'm trying to point out a problem with explanations in general.

http://www.bridgebas...ystem_notes.php

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Posted 2011-November-06, 13:03

View Postdiana_eva, on 2011-November-03, 05:19, said:

If the description goes outside the frame it gets cut. 4d is cut too on the right edge, where the scroll bar is.

Here's a curveball for you... check out the length of the descriptions of the 2N bids at the various tables here: http://www.bridgebas...3-card-support/
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Posted 2011-November-06, 14:14

I'm generally pretty good at isolating variables to try to identify why different things happen under similar-but-not-identical situations, but this one has me stumped.
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Posted 2011-November-06, 14:15

Hey! I swear there was a response from diana between my posts #11 and #12...
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Posted 2011-November-06, 14:17

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-November-06, 14:15, said:

Hey! I swear there was a response from diana between my posts #11 and #12...


Yup, I changed my mind :)

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Posted 2011-November-06, 14:19

View Postdiana_eva, on 2011-November-06, 14:17, said:

Yup, I changed my mind :)
But I was amused by it!!
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Posted 2011-November-28, 11:09

Here's another example, in case anyone is trying to figure this out and fix it... Check out the descriptions of the two 3 bids: one is longer than the other...



Edit: weird... in "My Results", the "&gt" doesn't get translated into ">" in the second hand...

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Posted 2011-November-29, 10:37

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-November-28, 11:09, said:

Edit: weird... in "My Results", the "&gt" doesn't get translated into ">" in the second hand...

That seems to be the problem.

Diagram 1 contains: The%20Law%3A%209%20trump%20-%3E%203%20level
Diagram 2 contains: The%20Law%3A%209%20trump%20-%26gt%3B%203%20level

The % hex codes translate as follows:

%20 = Space
%26 = &
%3A = :
%3B = ;
%3E = >

So one of them represents '>' with its hex code, while the other uses the HTML entity '>'. And these get treated differently when figuring out the layout.

I'll bet the difference is due to whether the player was using the download or web client.

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Posted 2011-November-29, 10:54

I can't exactly tell the lengths, but it appears that the short explanation is limited to about 38 characters while the longer one is unlimited. I use the web version, and my table produces the shorter ones.

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Posted 2011-December-18, 20:22

View Postbarmar, on 2011-November-29, 10:37, said:

I'll bet the difference is due to whether the player was using the download or web client.

Yes, that appears to be the difference. Are you likely to modify the web client to show the full description like the download version does?
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Posted 2012-April-07, 05:07

So... now that we know when the problem occurs and when it doesn't, is it on the development team's list to fix, even if it's at the bottom of the priority scale?
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