Worth an overcall?
#1
Posted 2008-June-28, 18:02
#2
Posted 2008-June-28, 18:03
- hrothgar
#5
Posted 2008-June-28, 19:06
George Carlin
#6
Posted 2008-June-28, 21:09
#7
Posted 2008-June-28, 21:21
Real close to a 2♠ overcall, though.
Because I'm so aggressive in overcalling 2♠, I like 1♠ to show a hand close to opening strength as a minimum.
-P.J. Painter.
#8
Posted 2008-June-29, 02:09
For the benefit of any beginner/intermediates reading this thread, 2♠ is a terrible bid with this hand. Change the hand to ♠KQJxx ♥xx ♦xxx ♣K9x and I would still overcall 1♠ instead of 2♠. But at least with the change in the suit, you could make some sort of case for 2♠.
Preempts on Ace empty suits are bad as a general rule. You have no tricks playing in your suit, and you have defensive tricks if the opponents buy the hand.
#9
Posted 2008-June-29, 03:13
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#11
Posted 2008-June-29, 05:07
#12
Posted 2008-June-29, 05:57
655321, on Jun 29 2008, 03:09 AM, said:
For the benefit of any beginner/intermediates reading this thread, 2♠ is a terrible bid with this hand. Change the hand to ♠KQJxx ♥xx ♦xxx ♣K9x and I would still overcall 1♠ instead of 2♠. But at least with the change in the suit, you could make some sort of case for 2♠.
Preempts on Ace empty suits are bad as a general rule. You have no tricks playing in your suit, and you have defensive tricks if the opponents buy the hand.
I agree 100% with the second portion. Switch the club King to the spade King (♠AK10xx ♥xx ♦xxx ♣xxx), and a 2♠ overcall is right, IMO. That's why this is so close.
I might even overcall 2♠ with ♠AJ1097 ♥xx ♦xxx ♣Kxx.
But, the spade suit quality is too poor for a 2♠ overcall.
Of course, if the spade suit quality is horrible, and the HCP count extremely low, and about 9+ losers, I don't get the merits of overcalling here, in the long run.
-When your suit quality is too low for the jump overcall, you don't have that exciting of a lead-director. Plus, you are less likely to be on lead anyway.
-When your overcall is +1, you preempt nothing and in fact help their auction (now they have a bid to show both minors and an easy limit raise and a known threat).
-When partner gets a chance to act or not act, he will tend to bid too much, or, if catering for this hand, will tend to bid too little.
-If LIA is part of the structure, the structure loses some interesting options because the danger is too high.
I used to play 0+ overcalls. I gave them up not because of the costs of getting hammered (rarely happened), but because I saw little point as far as real gains but a lot as far as real losses.
But, I seem to be in a solid minority of 1 again. LOL
-P.J. Painter.
#13
Posted 2008-June-29, 08:23
You need to discuss the bottom line for an overcall.
You have 7 HCPs and a lousy 5233 shape, your partner is unlimited.
If you improve in bidding and have enough weapons in your arsenal to cater for so weak, normal, strong and very strong overcalls, you may set your limit quite low.
But I doubt that the limit should be so low in a BI forum. Better stick to the book bids for your overcalls for now and lower the limit later.
Roland
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#14
Posted 2008-June-29, 09:14
I wonder of someone with BridgeBrowser could search for 5233 hands with an Ace and a King (one of which is in spades) where there was a 1S overcall of 1H and see how the overcalling side scored.
#15
Posted 2008-June-29, 10:38
#16
Posted 2008-June-29, 14:12
TimG, on Jun 29 2008, 10:14 AM, said:
I wonder of someone with BridgeBrowser could search for 5233 hands with an Ace and a King (one of which is in spades) where there was a 1S overcall of 1H and see how the overcalling side scored.
Now I'm down to a minority of 0 (or maybe 0.5)? God, I must suck! LOL
-P.J. Painter.
#17
Posted 2008-June-29, 15:28
#18
Posted 2008-June-29, 19:49
TimG, on Jun 29 2008, 04:28 PM, said:
Yeah, but it wasn't close enough!
I mean, would you open a white-on-red 2♠ with this hand? No, but you'd certainly qualify this as too flawed for a 2♠ but not even close to a 1♠ opening.
Sure, this is different. Sorta.
-P.J. Painter.
#19
Posted 2008-June-29, 22:11
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Not quite that small a minority. I don't see the point of overcalling this mess. I pass.