vg|BBO1-2022WTC-BB,FN5,I,1,16,SWITZERLAND,131,NETHERLANDS,117| rs|2SN+2,2SN+1,2HW-1,2HW-1,7NW=,7CW=,3NS+4,3NS+4,4SW=,4SW=,2CEx-1,3CEx-3,2NE+1,2HW=,6NW=,6CE=,5SE=,5CNx-4,4SE-1,4SEx-1,5DN-2,5DNx-2,4SW-3,4HE-2,4SE-2,4SW-2,3DN+1,3DN+1,1NE=,1NE-1,4HS+2,4HS+1| pn|BRINK,L VERHEES,DRIJVER,VAN PROOIJ,MULLER,KLUKOWSKI,DE WIJS,GAWRYS|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SA65HA3DAKQ74C854,SKQ4HJ85DT63CKQT2,ST8732HKQT6D92C97,SJ9H9742DJ85CAJ63|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|Thorvald: Link to Running scores for all 4 tournaments on this page: http://db.worldbridge.org/Repository/tourn/salsomaggiore.22/microSite/Results.htm|pg|| nt|Thorvald: Right click on a player and select kibitz if you want to see only what the player sees|pg|| nt|Thorvald: Convention cards: http://www.ecatsbridgenews.com/WBFsystems/default.asp?dir=W2021BTC-BermudaBowl|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s9|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|c7|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h8|pc|c9|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s7|mc|10|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SA65HA3DAKQ74C854,SKQ4HJ85DT63CKQT2,ST8732HKQT6D92C97,SJ9H9742DJ85CAJ63|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1D!|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|game over: hi all|pg|| nt|serhat: hello everyone- last 2 sets for the WC|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|game over: 1NT opening would have been 15-17|pg|| nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| nt|serhat: 3nt is makeable - 4s no chance|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d8|nt|game over: 2@c followed by 2@s (not sure), perhaps invitational w/ 5+ spades, or to play with spades and 4 hearts|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| nt|game over: East play Polish style 2nd/4th leads: so declarer knows East's @d 8 is single or from 3 cards |pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c3|nt|game over: not very important here, as long as spades are not 5-0|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SAKT9H965D2CKJT95,S865HAKQT32D4C632,S743HJ74DJ9753CA7,SQJ2H8DAKQT86CQ84|sv|n|mb|1D!|mb|d|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|Thorvald: One of the better Preemptive hands when green vs red|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| nt|Thorvald: But I expect 1 down|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|s4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|h4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h8|mc|7|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SAKT9H965D2CKJT95,S865HAKQT32D4C632,S743HJ74DJ9753CA7,SQJ2H8DAKQT86CQ84|sv|n|nt|game over: 1@d 5+@d or 4@d5@c|pg|| mb|1D|nt|game over: or 4441|pg|| mb|d|mb|1H!|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|kit: I wonder what alert of 1@H could be|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: yeah, if South had passed, some Polish Club pairs can respond on a three-card suit (but this is not mentioned EW's convention card)|pg|| nt|kit: well-timed defense can defeat 2@H with a promotion|pg|| pc|s3|nt|kit: Or even getting 3 spade tricks out of it|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| nt|game over: (plus a club ruff)|pg|| nt|kit: However, South now has a problem|pg|| nt|serhat: yes even this lead is good enough to set |pg|| nt|game over: since South has a single diamond, from his POV he does not need to play North to has the @c A to beat the contract. Three spade tricks, two hearts and one club might be enough|pg|| nt|game over: so it is not automatic to return a club (as everyone who can see all cards would)|pg|| nt|kit: He might play a diamond, playing declarer for a singleton diamond or his partner for a trump trick -- that looks right to me.|pg|| nt|game over: West has likely shown an invitational hand, by not bidding 2@h on the previous round|pg|| nt|serhat: except @H and @Sall returns are good|pg|| nt|game over: West either has a singleton diamond or very good hearts|pg|| nt|game over: since he could have passed 2@d which promises 6|pg|| nt|game over: sorry, likely not true, as West wants to show an invitational hand|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|s4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|h4|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| mc|7|nt|serhat: good defence|pg|| pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SK9874HJT95D9876C,SA5HAKQ8DKJ3CJT98,SJT63H742DQT54C62,SQ2H63DA2CAKQ7543|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|nt|Thorvald: 1@C=15+ any hand|pg|| nt|Thorvald: 2@C=Nat, GF|pg|| mb|3D!|mb|p|nt|Thorvald: I expect the bidding ends at 7N, but not sure how many bidding rounds is needed|pg|| mb|4D!|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S!|mb|d|nt|vugrapho1: est shows AKQ 7@c and sotmething else|pg|| mb|7N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|mc|13|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SK9874HJT95D9876C,SA5HAKQ8DKJ3CJT98,SJT63H742DQT54C62,SQ2H63DA2CAKQ7543|sv|e|nt|game over: intersting also that North returned a club instead of a spade|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|nt|kit: This should not be a difficult grand to bid I wouldn't think|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|nt|game over: a kib points out that the yplay 2nd/4th through declarer and @c J promised a higher card - thanks|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4N|nt|game over: 1@c: 11-14 bal or 15+ clubs or 18+any (or 4414)|pg|| nt|game over: 2@c natural GF, 5+@c|pg|| mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|7C|nt|serhat: just like that :) ?|pg|| nt|game over: West can count 12 tricks, if East just has @d A and six club tricks, will he bid 7@c with this? What else can he have where 7NT is not a make?|pg|| nt|kit: You don't worry about those 2 IMPs, when bidding 7NT could cost 30 IMPs if partner is stretching|pg|| nt|game over: East does not know that West can ruff a spade, this is tough for West to reverse engineer|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: East can have a four-card major, so a two-suiter is not out of the question (or a balanced hand in theory)|pg|| mb|p|pc|c2|mc|13|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2STHKQDJ9CAKQT7652,SJ953HJT83DT85C43,SA8764HA64DA762C8,SKQ2H9752DKQ43CJ9|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|min no 4!h|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|Thorvald: 2nd grand in a row. But this is much more difficult to bid|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|nt|Thorvald: 2@C is a GF relay, but after North shows minimum I am not sure about the continuation. But this wasn't right|pg|| mc|13|nt|Thorvald: But for 3 aces is never a minimum :-)|pg|| pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2STHKQDJ9CAKQT7652,SJ953HJT83DT85C43,SA8764HA64DA762C8,SKQ2H9752DKQ43CJ9|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|kit: Back to back grands|pg|| nt|game over: 1@s limited to 15, denies 5+@h|pg|| mb|1N|an|GF|mb|p|nt|game over: 1NT GF-relay|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|game over: I don't know their exact relay structure, but I think they differentiate between min/max control hands early on|pg|| nt|kit: The result in the other room is unbelievable|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|algraves: so an accident in the other room, big opportunity for Netherlands|pg|| nt|game over: 3@c is a relay-break and seems to set clubs|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|game over: (guess)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Presumably South can locate the 3 aces. But can he know that North has more than 2 hearts?|pg|| nt|game over: I believe 2@d showed diamonds|pg|| nt|serhat: wow this one went cheap|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|nt|algraves: Both tables in 3NT |pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SA3HJ4DQJ73CJ9653,SKQ9752HADT65CT42,ST4H765DA9842CKQ8,SJ86HKQT9832DKCA7|sv|n|nt|vugrapho1: 3@c was naturale GF|pg|| nt|vugrapho1: 3! not alerted think values, even 3@h and 3@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|lmilne: Hi all, Thorvald, and our operator Fabio|pg|| nt|Thorvald: From norths point they were just checking stoppers fro 3N|pg|| mb|2S!|an|nat NF|nt|Thorvald: Hi Liam|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugrapho1: no discussing by N/s|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|Thorvald: North should have bid 3N over 3N to show the @S-stopper. Then 4@C from south would have been slammish|pg|| mb|4S|nt|Thorvald: over 3@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|Thorvald: Important to be able to just let a bad board go. Next please :-)|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| nt|lmilne: Nice ducking move by Verhees here, keeping the @CA as a stopper and creating a ruff in the dummy in clubs if the defence keeps playing the suit|pg|| nt|lmilne: Standard expert play|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| nt|lmilne: So Verhees can either try and draw trumps then run the hearts (needing a bit of luck in each suit) or dispose of his three minor suit losers in some comob|pg|| nt|lmilne: combo|pg|| nt|lmilne: He might ruff two losers and pitch one. But the layout is friendly for all lines|pg|| nt|Thorvald: Yes, with @Ss 2-2 it seems all will work|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|s8|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|cT|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|lmilne: If you trust the @HJ (you probably shouldn't) then running hearts will work well, being able to overruff South if they ruff|pg|| mc|10|nt|Thorvald: Board 4 was a push|pg|| pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SA3HJ4DQJ73CJ9653,SKQ9752HADT65CT42,ST4H765DA9842CKQ8,SJ86HKQT9832DKCA7|sv|n|nt|serhat: Ladies one table 6C other one 7C|pg|| nt|serhat: 6@C is wrong as you can count 13 tricks|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|algraves: not if partner has AX in hearts|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|nt|algraves: might make 7 Clubs if you can ruff the 5th spade good|pg|| nt|serhat: yes lets say almost|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|serhat: in Nat system 1s 2c 2d 2h! 3h?|pg|| nt|game over: South could have continued to relay (perhaps North would show his shape with 3@d) then if he bids 3@h, North would bid higher than 3NT with four controls|pg|| nt|algraves: Friendly hand |pg|| nt|game over: can South afford that, is the relevant question, he needs to answer|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| nt|algraves: I am sure both pairs will discuss the previous hand. one pair will be happier than the other|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| nt|algraves: if spades are 3-1 declarer thinking it is tricky|pg|| nt|serhat: W problem is @C return|pg|| nt|serhat: in this case best to play ?|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| nt|serhat: @D?|pg|| nt|game over: 2@s was "NF, weak" according to their convention card|pg|| nt|algraves: HA now , then Diamond if want to be complicated , trump if just looking for 2-2 spades |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SK96HAKTD84CJ9852,SJ7432H876DK53C43,SAQT8H543DJ9762CK,S5HQJ92DAQTCAQT76|sv|e|nt|Thorvald: As a Kibz texted me. North was a passed hand so declarer new @SA was in south|pg|| mb|1D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lmilne: Great point. |pg|| mb|r|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|lmilne: North more willing to pass the double of 1@D for penalties as it may be as short as two|pg|| mb|d|an|penalty|mb|2C|mb|d|mb|p|nt|lmilne: Wow|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|lmilne: Also more willing to pass when opps are vul of course. |pg|| nt|Thorvald: Against doubled partscores - lead a trump unless ....|pg|| nt|warrens: I think a trump lead is called for on this auction. A high heart will definitely help declarer.|pg|| pc|d8|nt|warrens: win in hand, play a @S? best chance to score one little trumps|pg|| nt|lmilne: It would have been harder for NS to double if East had run to 1@H rather than redoubled - these runout situations can be quite tactical|pg|| nt|lmilne: Agree trump lead called for Warren|pg|| nt|lmilne: This will be a little bit tricky for the defence given North has no second club to play|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|c6|pc|s6|pg|| nt|lmilne: Declarer surely knows the diamonds are 5-2 from the bidding and the lead, so the @DQ isn't cashing. But might endplay South if ruffed|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c2|pc|d5|nt|warrens: seems like the Q of @D is the obvious play. Let South ruff in and play a @S for you to ruff again.|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| nt|warrens: Brink might try a trump now|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|lmilne: Yes, every little trump that van Prooijen makes is welcome. Brink has had enough!|pg|| nt|warrens: I think declarer can score all his trumps here, for -1|pg|| nt|warrens: Brink keeps getting thrown in|pg|| nt|warrens: of course, declarer doesn't know about the 10 of @h's, but he might suspect it based on the lead of the 5 earlier from North|pg|| nt|lmilne: In some ways you want to play the suit that is lying poorly anyway, rather than leading out the suit which has something onside for you if you wait|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|nt|lmilne: Hearts works nicely here - @H10 offside anyway, and breaking 3-3 so you can set up a winner to force South|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c8|pc|s7|pc|d2|pg|| mc|7|nt|warrens: well played|pg|| pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SK96HAKTD84CJ9852,SJ7432H876DK53C43,SAQT8H543DJ9762CK,S5HQJ92DAQTCAQT76|sv|e|nt|serhat: I didnt think it was the best line|pg|| mb|1C!|nt|algraves: simple often best , |pg|| mb|p|mb|1D!|nt|game over: EW play 2@c precision, 5@c 4 major or 6+@c, but limited to 14|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|game over: so 1@c - 1@h // 2@c would be 15+, F1|pg|| mb|2S|mb|d|nt|game over: 2@c shows a fit (at least after a second-suit overcall) and I guess 2@s is the weakest possible response, same as after Drury 2@c|pg|| nt|algraves: Does S have a redouble |pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|nt|game over: East did not bid on the previous round, so I think his X implies a medium club hand probably with 5 clubs|pg|| nt|algraves: they could be in trouble|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: with an 18+ hand East would have surely bid on the previous round|pg|| nt|algraves: South might lite this up|pg|| nt|serhat: the chance?|pg|| nt|game over: 1@d is not necessarily weak, can be one/both minors with 7-11 (less than GF strength) points, 1@d could also be 0-6 any|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: North is now happy to have only four spades|pg|| pc|hA|nt|algraves: 2 down in top tricks assuming they get them all|pg|| pc|h6|nt|game over: with @h AK10 it is slightly dangerous to lead hearts, as we can see here|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|algraves: they have to worry about trump endplays on these type of hands but south has only 2 Diamonds so that is better for him|pg|| nt|game over: (if you look at the suit alone)|pg|| nt|serhat: what awaste|pg|| nt|game over: East was short in spades and West does not have points, a spade lead is surely quite safe here|pg|| nt|algraves: well he is worried east is void in spades|pg|| nt|game over: I meant as the opening lead|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|d7|nt|serhat: why worry E void with J5th @C?|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s5|nt|algraves: you dont want to shorten declaer particularly on these type of hands|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| nt|algraves: this is good defense|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|c6|pc|s6|pg|| nt|serhat: partner over called. he has some cards|pg|| pc|dA|pc|c2|pc|d5|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| nt|algraves: no chance of trump end play now|pg|| nt|game over: South's distribution was known, if South had the @c K declarer would have gotten 3 tricks now|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|h9|pc|c8|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|d9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1ST732HKJ42D875CJ4,SQ6HQT96D32CKQT76,SA98H75DAQ64CA532,SKJ54HA83DKJT9C98|sv|b|nt|lmilne: I hear the other table is in 3@Cx - this 200 might not look so good anymore|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 6 gawrys in 3@CX|pg|| mb|1C|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+|pg|| nt|warrens: well see, a lot depends on the opening lead and the defense|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d!|nt|lmilne: Verhees looking for revenge :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: looks like a good hand to pass 1@D X|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|lmilne: 1@Dx would have been touch and go\|pg|| nt|Thorvald: So pass and lead a @D? |pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lmilne: I'm guessing the reason van Proojen is not baying for blood here against 1@DX is that Verhees was a passed hand|pg|| pc|d8|nt|lmilne: And the range of 1NT was not clear so Verhees looking for a vul game which isn't there on values|pg|| nt|ahollan1: EW play 1N = 14-16 throughout|pg|| nt|mikam1: Hi all - hello Liam|pg|| nt|warrens: Hi Michael. Welcome.|pg|| nt|lmilne: Hi Michael :)|pg|| nt|mikam1: Warren :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N overcall of 3rd seat opener = 15-18|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: raptor 1N overcall vs other seats|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|nt|mikam1: yes, close calls here for EW|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| nt|warrens: hmm, I expected North to duck the 8 of @Ds lead|pg|| nt|mikam1: I suppose defending 1Dx would have been better|pg|| nt|mikam1: but even that's hard to analyze|pg|| nt|mikam1: probably down one or two, but would be difficult to defend|pg|| nt|lmilne: van Prooijen clearly not in the vengeful school of thought after the previous hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 6 gawrys 3@CX -800|pg|| nt|mikam1: so 12 imps to the Netherlands making the match a dead heat|pg|| nt|lmilne: 12 imps to Team Orange and a very close match.|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cK|nt|warrens: because @C's are so friendly, this makes a lot of tricks|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|s4|nt|mikam1: for sure - he'll be forced to play hearts towards the dummy - which will work out just fine|pg|| nt|mikam1: besides the fact that north will need to make a helpful play right now|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 7 de wijs opened 1N=15-17 klukowski in 2@H after showing @C + a major|pg|| nt|lmilne: So Verhees was on the right track looking for game. But hard to bid 3NT with 21 points. |pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|d7|nt|mikam1: yes, and if you switch a card or two, could easily be off in 3N|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1ST732HKJ42D875CJ4,SQ6HQT96D32CKQT76,SA98H75DAQ64CA532,SKJ54HA83DKJT9C98|sv|b|nt|algraves: well done by NS|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: there is no carry/over only penalty points for slow play (in response to a kib)|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 15-17|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|an|4+!C 4M|nt|ahollan2: i know - he only has 14|pg|| nt|algraves: 3 aces and a working Q an upgradeable holding |pg|| nt|game over: reg bd 6: if North had no honour in club, he could have returned a club instead of a heart|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h5|nt|algraves: Meckwell 2C enters the fray|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| nt|algraves: hand is very friendly for EW|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|d8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|c2|pg|| nt|serhat: 3nt makeable?|pg|| nt|game over: North's 1NT shows 15=17 HCP (in theory)|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|c5|nt|game over: West probably assumes North started with Axx xx AQx AJxxx|pg|| pc|s4|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|nt|game over: but not if North now plays low|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|cT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|sT|pc|cQ|pc|dQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2ST86HT642DJ943C73,SA52HAJ98DQ5CKQT6,SQ73HKQ7DKT8762C9,SKJ94H53DACAJ8542|sv|o|nt|lmilne: North either has @HKJ or neither (no 1NT opening)|pg|| nt|mikam1: http://db.worldbridge.org/Repository/tourn/salsomaggiore.22/microSite/RunningScores/Asp/knockoutphaseconditstatMultievColours.asp?qtournid=2204&qphase=FF&qtournid2=2205&qtournid3=2206&qtournid4=2207|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|mikam1: not sure why the official score is slightly different than we see here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 14-16|pg|| nt|mikam1: perhaps it's been mentioned|pg|| nt|mikam1: but I just arrived on the scene|pg|| mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|warrens: 1.4 imp penalty against the Dutch|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: for slow play|pg|| mb|3D!|an|4!s + other|nt|mikam1: thanks|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = a) 5+@S, weak/FG b) 6@S, INV c) 4@S 6@C/@D, FG [2@D] d) @C & @D, weak/FG|pg|| mb|p|nt|mikam1: one of these days a team is going to get a penalty for fast play|pg|| mb|3H!|an|relay|mb|p|mb|3S!|an|5+!c|nt|ahollan1: 3@D = 4@S 6@C/@D|pg|| mb|p|nt|warrens: an interesting 6@C. except for some very friendly @H positions, pretty much just a finesse.|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@H Relay // 3@S = 4@S 6@C|pg|| nt|mikam1: actually now it shows 4 imps to the Netherlands in the carryover, so unclear what's happened |pg|| nt|mikam1: perhaps more slow play penalties|pg|| nt|mikam1: but whatever|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5S|nt|warrens: every once in a while, South has H10 doubleton or KQ10 of @H's, for 2 discards|pg|| mb|p|nt|mikam1: 6C is basically on a spade finesse with a little extra|pg|| nt|mikam1: right|pg|| nt|mikam1: as a clever kib pointed out, clubs will be played by west, so might get a helpful heart king lead|pg|| nt|lmilne: even @HH10x but you would have to commit|pg|| mb|5N|mb|p|nt|warrens: KQxx onside also has some chances.|pg|| nt|mikam1: in any case, after all is said and done - the spade queen is on|pg|| nt|mikam1: so this will make - assuming 6C is the final contract|pg|| nt|mikam1: but he hasn't put that bidding card on the table yet|pg|| mb|6D|mb|p|nt|warrens: oh my, something has gone haywire|pg|| nt|mikam1: nope - better end in a lucky 6N now or 6S|pg|| nt|mikam1: I'm not sure of the meanings of the bids here - and maybe they aren't either (but I doubt that)|pg|| mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i think 4@C sets trump, 4@D cue then RKC with 5N confirming all 5 keys and trump q|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure why vP thought he was worth more than 6@C [if i got everything else right]|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|warrens: i don't have a favorite here, but I think it's unfortunate that this contract isn't punished|pg|| nt|mikam1: as Bart Bramley pointed out to me privately - east would make 7C opposite Ax Axxx Kxx Kxxx - so might be that he kept asking|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ahh some think 5N = king ask|pg|| nt|lmilne: so declarer on this lead can play for @SQ onside and spades 3-3, or @H10 onside and short. or both finesses if lengths aren't right|pg|| nt|mikam1: I think it's a risk of relaying, one has to decide if the answers will screw you at some point|pg|| nt|warrens: He might duck this to correct the count for a possible squeeze. Imagine South with K of @D and 10xxx of @S.|pg|| nt|mikam1: so perhaps east was relaying and getting answers at some point?|pg|| nt|warrens: I would, even though when it goes down, it goes down a lot.|pg|| nt|mikam1: but I'm talking out of my hat - no idea really|pg|| nt|warrens: Michael, do you agree that ducking is right?|pg|| nt|mikam1: not clear|pg|| nt|warrens: don't really care about non-vul undertricks|pg|| nt|mikam1: right sure|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg|| nt|mikam1: I guess you have to decide whether to play south for Txx|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|nt|mikam1: you can make straight away with that by winning|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| nt|mikam1: ugly decision - I will say that|pg|| nt|ahollan1: gawrys in 6@C east|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|mikam1: but you're right about ducking for squeeze possibilities|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: waiting for lead|pg|| nt|lmilne: run six clubs and hope to work it out|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| nt|warrens: well, there is the chance that the discards help you out|pg|| nt|mikam1: sure|pg|| nt|warrens: South does have to decide what to pitch. I think his partner's @D discards will help him.|pg|| nt|mikam1: as we can see - there's almost no way to go down here unless he badly misguesses|pg|| nt|ahollan1: muller leads @C3 vs 6@C|pg|| nt|warrens: if he runs all the @Cs, he can't pick up Qxxx of @S in North, so an early @S finesse might be warranted|pg|| nt|mikam1: running clubs here could lead to more time penalties too|pg|| nt|warrens: also, if North has Qx of @S, he could fall back on the @H 10 being onside.|pg|| nt|mikam1: since those might decide the match, very useful|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d3|pc|cT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dA|nt|mikam1: I start to sound like Edgar Kaplan who used to snark about the directors deciding these things on slow play|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|Thorvald: Well now there isn't much guessing left|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h4|pc|c6|nt|mikam1: right|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c8|pc|d9|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: gawrys pulled trimp then played @H to J and K|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2ST86HT642DJ943C73,SA52HAJ98DQ5CKQT6,SQ73HKQ7DKT8762C9,SKJ94H53DACAJ8542|sv|o|nt|serhat: what a final|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|algraves: 6C a good contract|pg|| mb|2H|nt|algraves: extra chances for the 12th trick|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|nt|game over: my guesses are: 2@s either puppet to 2NT or min/max ask and 3@h shows 4@s and 6+@c|pg|| nt|serhat: isnt it all about @C hook?|pg|| nt|serhat: meant @S hook|pg|| nt|algraves: right , just on the spade suit really plus very small chance for 3 hearts so a bit more than 50|pg|| nt|algraves: coffee time|pg|| mb|5H|mb|p|mb|5N|mb|p|mb|6C|mb|p|nt|game over: 5@h looks like a grand slam invitation, if partner has the @c Q|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|algraves: the extra chance in hearts is HT doubleton with south|pg|| pc|c3|nt|algraves: we are being asked about the bidding but we have no idea|pg|| nt|ahollan2: verhees in 6N west with lead of @HQ|pg|| nt|algraves: we assume they know exactly what they have|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|d2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| nt|serhat: might have a chance to make 3@H on that lead|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|nt|game over: as Al said, you can play for @h HT sec etc, and also for KQ by South (or KQT by North)|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|game over: the defense can always break-up a heart-diamond squeeze, so that will not be a legitimate extra chance|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|algraves: no you need three heart tricks|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|serhat: not both|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sA|nt|serhat: yes you need 3h tricks|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|game over: but if South has KQxx in hearts, what can he do?|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|s8|pg|| nt|algraves: sure why not|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SKHT843DKT32CAJ72,ST875HAQJ7DAQ8CK4,SJ92H2D975CQT9653,SAQ643HK965DJ64C8|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: later finesse @SJ|pg|| mb|3C|nt|lmilne: so 2 in instead of 14 out. a touch of luck for the Dutch|pg|| nt|mikam1: north should have thrown the spade queen on the ace - pointed out by Adam Grossack|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1st seat favorable 3@C promises 13 cards|pg|| nt|mikam1: then choice of endplaying south with the king of diamonds and Txxx of spades|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: i've never seen that promise broken|pg|| nt|mikam1: he "should" have - but easy for us looking in here|pg|| mb|r|nt|lmilne: Great point Adam and Michael, hard to see why it would ever matter but 'play the card you're known to hold' is a really good rule|pg|| nt|mikam1: west knows south is messing about|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|nt|lmilne: Haven't seen this psyche before - I like it|pg|| mb|4D!|nt|mikam1: I've always thought it was better to just bid 5C and be done with it|pg|| nt|warrens: 4@D? wonder if that shows both M's|pg|| mb|p|nt|mikam1: yes, could be|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|mikam1: west has to be careful not to bid too much|pg|| nt|mikam1: even the 5 level is in jeopardy|pg|| nt|warrens: yes, agreed. danger here.|pg|| nt|mikam1: although he might make 5M by playing the spade ace first|pg|| nt|lmilne: Usually when opponents psyche it is a good idea to bid a lot, but Brink has a "semi-bluff" here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i wonder if 4@D showing @S longer than @H|pg|| nt|lmilne: The tempo makes me worried something has gone off the rails|pg|| nt|mikam1: the very light takeout double was really the cause of this|pg|| nt|mikam1: but one wants to get in there with shortness|pg|| nt|lmilne: Not the very light preempt?|pg|| nt|mikam1: the question is where you draw the line|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other room 3@C-DBL-5@C-DBL-end|pg|| nt|mikam1: that too liam :)|pg|| nt|warrens: Yes. He has great shape, but a real minimum. I wouldn't fault anyone for doubling or for passing.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: oops 3@C-P-5@C-DBL-end|pg|| nt|mikam1: so all of my nonsense about bidding 5C directly over 3C, shows what I know|pg|| nt|mikam1: Brink's way worked out a bunch better|pg|| nt|mikam1: the Netherlands leads this set 17-1, but this board will very likely change all that|pg|| nt|lmilne: I would love to know what the redouble meant (and whether this is a psyche or not). I know Hampson plays (or used to play) redouble asks partner to double with shortage|pg|| mb|5S|nt|mikam1: ahhh - no double in the other room|pg|| mb|p|nt|mikam1: I missed that|pg|| nt|mikam1: they deemed it too light|pg|| nt|lmilne: 5@S is interesting. |pg|| nt|ADONIS18: two aces and the q?|pg|| nt|mikam1: by the way, good pass by Gawrys after 3C-P-5C-Dbl|pg|| nt|mikam1: could be wrong to do that|pg|| nt|lmilne: You tell me the suit and I will explain how 2+Q is wrong :)|pg|| nt|mikam1: I think he'll make 5S here|pg|| nt|mikam1: if they stop|pg|| nt|lmilne: Yes, could be 6 ace. I admit I have no idea what is going on after the first couple of bids|pg|| nt|mikam1: Louk might pull in a notch with "wasted" club king and poor spades|pg|| nt|mikam1: turns out the club king isn't wasted at all|pg|| nt|mikam1: it's needed for a diamond pitch|pg|| nt|vugrapho1: north has asked something and est didn-t reply...|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|lmilne: These two consecutive hands are total torture for the Dutch EW here (and kibitzers wearing orange)|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|c8|pg|| nt|warrens: ok, we're halfway there. he can certainly make this and if he does, will pick up a few imps|pg|| nt|mikam1: Not sure if 5Cx is off 3 or 4|pg|| nt|warrens: no, -800 in the other room. surprising |pg|| nt|ADONIS18: did w know whether 5 or 6 or 7@s was correct?|pg|| nt|mikam1: right - can't manage only two diamond losers|pg|| nt|mikam1: I really don't see why he wouldn't play the spade ace here|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|h2|nt|mikam1: is there something that I'm missing?|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dQ|nt|mikam1: uh oh|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| nt|lmilne: Not that I see. |pg|| nt|lmilne: Uh oh!|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|lmilne: False alarm :)|pg|| nt|warrens: with the @d K onside, he should take the safety play|pg|| mc|11|nt|mikam1: right - wanted to see how many diamond losers|pg|| nt|mikam1: well played|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SKHT843DKT32CAJ72,ST875HAQJ7DAQ8CK4,SJ92H2D975CQT9653,SAQ643HK965DJ64C8|sv|e|nt|algraves: EAst breathes sigh of relief|pg|| nt|game over: you lead a heart, he must hop, you lead a heart again, if he hops, the 10 will drop|pg|| nt|algraves: Netherlands will win an undersered 2 imps for bidding and making 6NT our spies report|pg|| nt|algraves: undeserved|pg|| mb|3C|nt|serhat: it is going to be a long day|pg|| mb|p|nt|game over: if he plays low, you need to guess, whether South had HTx or HHxx|pg|| nt|algraves: North a little heavy here|pg|| mb|5C|mb|d|nt|game over: by Dutch standards :) they have been really aggressive white/red|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h5|nt|algraves: yes I guess and then if 8 forced H . you might play AK spades to see if Q dropped then run all the trump but that seems complicated|pg|| pc|h3|nt|serhat: may be -4?|pg|| nt|algraves: diamond suit is frozen so a crucial trick on how this plays out|pg|| nt|serhat: -3 meant|pg|| nt|algraves: spades are frozen as well|pg|| nt|serhat: @H A and @S then @C best it looks|pg|| nt|algraves: too much trouble to work. it all out, lets see what they do in real time|pg|| nt|kit: key for defense is to avoid gewtting their heart exits ruffed out prematurely |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|c5|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 9 the auction has entered the twilight zone|pg|| pc|c4|nt|algraves: Rod Serling in the wings|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s6|pc|cA|pg|| nt|game over: declarer now has communication problems, he cannot ruff two hearts and then lead a spade|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 9 3@C-DBL-RDBL-4@C // P - 4@D - P - 4N // P - 5@S - we wait|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|algraves: so his chance in diamonds is east with HX|pg|| nt|game over: ruff a heart, play a spade, ruff a heart, play a diamond, defense can then exit with a spade and you lose three diamond tricks|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h7|pc|cT|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|nt|game over: now diamonds are frozen for both sides|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SHKQ8763DJ93CT764,S9HAJ42DT7654C953,SKQ65HT5DAQ82CQJ8,SAJT87432H9DKCAK2|sv|b|nt|lmilne: Good point Warren, missed that|pg|| nt|warrens: right, would need Kx onside otherwise|pg|| nt|mikam1: and only a 4 imp loss for their troubles|pg|| nt|ahollan1: yawn|pg|| mb|1C!|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: adrenaline levels of dutch fans at all time high|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 15+unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: other room 4@SX|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: this is segment 5 of 6|pg|| nt|lmilne: Think this is a toss-up in trumps? singleton x offside vs singleton Q/K|pg|| nt|lmilne: we can see it doesn't matter - trumps 4-0 so he is one down|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h6|nt|ahollan1: scoring software using carryover to show imp penatly against opponent|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SHKQ8763DJ93CT764,S9HAJ42DT7654C953,SKQ65HT5DAQ82CQJ8,SAJT87432H9DKCAK2|sv|b|nt|algraves: frozen means both sides|pg|| nt|algraves: I think|pg|| nt|serhat: :) meant -4|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|game over: not always, here EW could never lead a diamond, but North could have led one round|pg|| nt|serhat: coffee time cant count|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|game over: (which is enough to avoid an end play)|pg|| mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: East intended to show a spade-one-suiter with 18+ HCP|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan2: final contract 9 5@S east making|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dK|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s4|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ahollan2: other room not doubled|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s3|pc|dJ|nt|serhat: E is not happy to give up|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SJ8754HJ753D2C873,SK62HQ94D754CKT64,SHA2DAKQJT3CQJ952,SAQT93HKT86D986CA|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mikam1: live scoring shows the Dutch with 4 more imps|pg|| nt|mikam1: so they're up 3 right now|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|mikam1: now 4C I think|pg|| nt|mikam1: by north|pg|| nt|mikam1: at least that's what I'd do|pg|| nt|mikam1: apparently there are a few penalty imps for slow play|pg|| nt|ahollan1: de wijs starts with strong 1@C - gawrys conventionally shows majors or minors [CRASH]|pg|| nt|mikam1: and south will just love this bidding|pg|| nt|mikam1: :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no specifics about penalty but i would guess slow play|pg|| nt|mikam1: let's put it this way, 4C is the straightforward bid to show his hand type and strength|pg|| nt|mikam1: and south would pass|pg|| nt|mikam1: that seems like the normal auction to me|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|mikam1: but north feels that's not enough|pg|| nt|lmilne: Yes I like 4C too, but Bas looking for 3NT suspecting spade wastage opposite|pg|| nt|mikam1: south still wants to head for the nearest exit|pg|| nt|mikam1: yes, sure - but quite a position to take|pg|| nt|warrens: S sort of has a @S stopper (if that's what's being asked for)|pg|| nt|mikam1: we'll see if north sits out 3N|pg|| nt|mikam1: if he does, would not be my cup of tea|pg|| nt|warrens: well, I don't think North can bid if South bids 3NT really slowly|pg|| nt|mikam1: although sure it can work out|pg|| nt|mikam1: :)|pg|| mb|3N|nt|mikam1: and he did of course, what else?|pg|| nt|mikam1: he has that spade stopper|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|nt|mikam1: and north went overboard in the other room|pg|| nt|mikam1: will Louk double this?|pg|| nt|warrens: well, this seems likely to get doubled. I guess North had this plan all along. |pg|| nt|lmilne: You might suspect no entries in the dummy... especially given slow 3NT (probably no @SA)|pg|| nt|mikam1: yes, but I think he needn't have bid this way|pg|| nt|ahollan1: louk = west|pg|| nt|warrens: is South thinking? if so, about what, bidding 6?|pg|| nt|mikam1: if partner doesn't move on over a direct 4C - then unlikely to make easily|pg|| nt|warrens: please tell me it's West|pg|| nt|mikam1: but of course, I was born conservative|pg|| nt|mikam1: west is surely the one thinking here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i believe the last few boards should teach us - when player thinks during the auction - it is impossible for us to figure out what is being considered|pg|| nt|warrens: LOL. Good point, Al.|pg|| nt|lmilne: Sometimes comparing the explanation pads on each side of the screen would have you thinking the players were playing different boards|pg|| nt|mikam1: Geoff Hampson points out that NS have a lot of different meanings for bids - and a jump to 4C might not have held the simple meaning I'm implying|pg|| nt|mikam1: apparently south is thinking according to video feed|pg|| nt|vugrapho1: brink is thinking|pg|| nt|lmilne: Brink might be wondering what on earth partner wants from him. It sounded like a spade stopper but now something else?|pg|| nt|warrens: Thank you.|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: late 1980s or early 1990s during a sectional in San Diego there was a pre-session event sponsored by Bridge Today [the granovetters]. partners bid hands and documented ...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: explanations and inferences. scoring was based on some algorithm that combined final contract, sameness of explanations and completeness of desribing inferences|pg|| nt|lmilne: Avoided the double :) see how little we know|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: unfortunately - they did not make available copies of our answers so partnership could not compare|pg|| nt|mikam1: yes, avoided the double|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dA|nt|mikam1: probably wiser to double this pair when it's close to punish aggression|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|s5|pc|d4|pg|| nt|mikam1: but doesn't have to work anyway|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c3|nt|warrens: alright, undoubled, this shouldn't take too long. he's down 2, can we do it quickly? I think declarer has to play @C's from the top and hope for H10 or 10x.|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|mikam1: it's certainly a way to combat it, if we're discussing the Art of War|pg|| pc|s3|pc|c7|pc|cK|pg|| pc|sK|pc|dJ|nt|ahollan1: in case it hasn't been mentioned [multiple times] these 2 pairs were teammates when netherlands won the 2011 bermuda bowl in veldhoven|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|h6|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| mc|9|nt|mikam1: so Switzerlan will win 5|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SJ8754HJ753D2C873,SK62HQ94D754CKT64,SHA2DAKQJT3CQJ952,SAQT93HKT86D986CA|sv|o|nt|algraves: 270 imps exchanged|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|1D!|an|!C+!D or !H+!S|nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 15+unbal or 18+BAL|pg|| mb|d|nt|algraves: EW have 21 HCP and 8 sapdes but dont want to get too high competing |pg|| nt|ahollan2: EW play CRASH [aka CRU aka CRO] so 1@D = 2 suits same rank [@H & @S or @C & @D]|pg|| mb|r|nt|algraves: NS better can make minor suit partscores|pg|| mb|5D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|algraves: is that right operator ?|pg|| nt|game over: it is a bit unusual that South doubled (which is artificial and denies points), usually pass is weakest and X intermediate, they switched that, Al?|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|s4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ahollan2: duh sorry Tarzan Precision does flip-flop strength of DBL/PASS after 1-level interference over 1@C|pg|| pc|d6|pc|s5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|game over: thanks (also to kib)|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan2: the idea is PASS = 6-8 could facilitate relays if 3rd hand passes|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s3|pc|c7|pc|cK|pg|| nt|algraves: well he didnt get tapped on opening lead so survives for down 2|pg|| nt|ahollan2: so muller's DBL = 0-5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQJHJ4DAK7654CKQ7,SK9854H875DT83CT6,SAT2HT92DQJ92C984,S763HAKQ63DCAJ532|sv|n|mb|2S|an|5+|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|mikam1: 2S?!?|pg|| nt|lmilne: 18 minutes on the clock for five boards, maybe Michael will get to further discuss time penalties?|pg|| nt|mikam1: yowza|pg|| nt|ahollan1: classic 2@S opener - cough|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mikam1: perhaps it was the good spots|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|mikam1: I mean he held the 5 and 4 below the 9 and 8|pg|| nt|warrens: so, you get to ruff the opening lead, now what?|pg|| nt|mikam1: now you sit and wonder why you opened 2S|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d4|nt|mikam1: sorry - listening to me about some of the present day bidding will get boring after a bit|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c9|pg|| nt|lmilne: This is a maximum in Australia|pg|| nt|mikam1: but he isn't down yet (he will be later though)|pg|| nt|MrAce: Richard Pavlicek style preempts. :)|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|mikam1: at the other table they played 4H down two|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dA|mc|7|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQJHJ4DAK7654CKQ7,SK9854H875DT83CT6,SAT2HT92DQJ92C984,S763HAKQ63DCAJ532|sv|n|nt|algraves: not the dummy he was hoping for|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@H at most 17 hcp|pg|| mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: West probably thinks East has about 15-17 with a shortness in diamonds|pg|| pc|dA|nt|game over: so game is not out of the question, I thought he would opt for spades (or bid 4@d to give an option)|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|game over: as partner can have six hearts or four spades|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h6|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c9|pg|| nt|game over: I don't think there is a layout where declarer can legitimately make 4@h, as defense can force him), so he needs South to have @s A and not play it and lots of luck in clubs and hearts|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 11 drijver in 5@D no double|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h5|pc|dJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d6|pc|h7|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|8|nt|game over: if North had @c K @s A and @d QJ he would not have raised to 3@d|pg|| nt|game over: but bid something stronger|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3ST9HAT63DJT7642CA,SAJ8543HQ2DKCT752,SQ76HK9874D85C643,SK2HJ5DAQ93CKQJ98|sv|b|nt|mikam1: but when all is said and done - losing only an imp to par of 4D making|pg|| nt|mikam1: that's pretty good bridge|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-16|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D!|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mikam1: and a touch and go 4S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@D = south african texas transfer to 4@H|pg|| nt|mikam1: which may make on the lead|pg|| pc|cA|nt|mikam1: no|pg|| nt|mikam1: silly of me - should have seen this coming|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|ahollan1: klukowski 4@H texas transfer was doubled allowing him to choose whether he or gawrys would go down in 4@S|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| nt|mikam1: now hearts and club ruff and down|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| nt|warrens: if S plays the A of @H's next, North should be able to tell him to continue|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|s9|nt|warrens: ok, well done|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|mikam1: so down two as in the other room|pg|| mc|8|nt|mikam1: with three to go, basically a tie match.|pg|| pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3ST9HAT63DJT7642CA,SAJ8543HQ2DKCT752,SQ76HK9874D85C643,SK2HJ5DAQ93CKQJ98|sv|b|nt|ahollan2: 12 auction in other room 2@S-P-4@S-end honest!|pg|| nt|game over: NV/V party time|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 4@H Texas Transfer to 4@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|game over: South can almost double 4@s now as he knows he can ruff a club|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: if he were on lead|pg|| nt|ahollan2: DBL let's west decide who declares|pg|| mb|p|nt|algraves: so he has to follow his own lead director or a club|pg|| nt|game over: perhaps a bit to long in hearts to double|pg|| pc|h4|nt|algraves: nice lead|pg|| nt|ahollan2: DBL did ask for @H lead|pg|| nt|algraves: you dont want to talk yourself out of anything|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|c8|pg|| nt|algraves: easy to get ruff|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|s9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d2|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SAJ9HQ76532D8CK87,ST875HAT4DT62C963,SKQ43H9DAQJ975CT2,S62HKJ8DK43CAQJ54|sv|o|mb|1N|nt|mikam1: Netherlands has 4 more imps in their favor (I believe slow play penalties)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|3D!|nt|ahollan1: 14-16 again, still always|pg|| nt|ahollan1: same balancing 3@D by de wijs|pg|| nt|mikam1: south doesn't get involved with bad hearts, etc.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mikam1: does that show something Al?|pg|| nt|warrens: this should go quickly|pg|| nt|mikam1: I mean something conventional|pg|| nt|mikam1: I missed it if it was used before|pg|| nt|lmilne: System card says 3m shows 6m/4S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in college we would say "shows the values for 3@D in this sequence" |pg|| nt|mikam1: I see thanks|pg|| nt|ahollan1: they REALLY hated us |pg|| pc|h8|nt|warrens: wow, pretty amazing that they can show that hand exactly|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| nt|mikam1: well, they've discussed a thing or two|pg|| nt|lmilne: they give up on natural 3m overcall though|pg|| nt|mikam1: :)|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| nt|lmilne: Anyone else surprised by @C3 signal by Drijver on previous board - I was expecting the @C6|pg|| pc|c4|nt|mikam1: so another push here|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|h3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|h5|pc|dT|pg|| mc|10|nt|mikam1: do they play ud at trick one|pg|| nt|mikam1: ?|pg|| pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SAJ9HQ76532D8CK87,ST875HAT4DT62C963,SKQ43H9DAQJ975CT2,S62HKJ8DK43CAQJ54|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|nt|game over: NS play Multi-Landy here, X Raptor BPH only|pg|| nt|algraves: this will make 4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|h2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SK64HT52DQ52CAQT7,ST85HJ963DKT6C654,SAJ9HQ4DJ8743CJ93,SQ732HAK87DA9CK82|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: final segment of the championship scheduled to start at 10 minutes before the hour 35 minutes from now|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mikam1: very few big swings in this set|pg|| mb|p|nt|mikam1: actually only one|pg|| pc|s4|nt|lmilne: But many 'almost coulda beens'|pg|| nt|mikam1: right|pg|| nt|ahollan1: very different auction in other room gawrys 1N = 15-17|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|nt|mikam1: the fall of the heart queen gives him 6 tricks|pg|| pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|nt|mikam1: and now 7|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|d3|pc|h8|nt|mikam1: if south had led a heart, this probably wouldn't have made|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| mc|7|nt|mikam1: we had much discussion yesterday of De Wisj's leading ability - and he apparently writes on the subject too|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seems gawrys is on track for down 1|pg|| nt|lmilne: Yes, in IMP magazine I believe?|pg|| nt|mikam1: Very smart of him not to tell Brink his secrets |pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SK64HT52DQ52CAQT7,ST85HJ963DKT6C654,SAJ9HQ4DJ8743CJ93,SQ732HAK87DA9CK82|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: although North/South play Precision, they open balanced hands fairly conservatively |pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|algraves: EW have 22 HCP with their 4-4 hearts|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|game over: 1NT would have been 15-17 for South|pg|| nt|algraves: sorry 20 20|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|game over: attitude leads|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| nt|ahollan2: final segment of the championship scheduled to start at 10 minutes before the hour 35 minutes from now|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hJ|nt|algraves: do we know what the actual score is ?|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h7|pc|c7|pc|h9|pc|d8|pg|| nt|game over: I have no idea, running score says 142:141 (20:12 this segment) for Switzerland|pg|| mc|6|nt|game over: http://db.worldbridge.org/Repository/tourn/salsomaggiore.22/microSite/RunningScores/Asp/knockoutphaseconditstatMultievColours.asp?qtournid=2204&qphase=FF|pg|| nt|algraves: there are some minor penalities which are not in the BBO score|pg|| pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SAKHA972DAQ6CAK92,SJ732HK53DT7C7643,ST864HQT84DJ82CJ8,SQ95HJ6DK9543CQT5|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|mikam1: he writes a series for IMP magazine |pg|| mb|3C|an|puppet|mb|p|mb|3D|an|4M|mb|p|mb|4D|an|both majors|nt|ahollan1: is IMP magazine Boye Brogeland's [online] publication there was a very short time [only 1 year?] when there was a printed IMP magazine|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lmilne: IMP magazine is Dutch|pg|| pc|dT|nt|mikam1: and so a close 4H to end the set|pg|| nt|mikam1: yes right|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C FG // 2@D = punt // 2N 24+|pg|| nt|mikam1: things lie pretty well for declarer - even with a misguess in trumps I think it will make|pg|| nt|mikam1: as the club QT falls nicely|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: 3@C Muppet Stayman // 3@D 4@H &/o 4@S // 4@D = 4@H & 4@S|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| nt|mikam1: and of course the diamond finesse was on|pg|| nt|mikam1: and led - which was helpful too|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|dA|pg|| nt|mikam1: live scoring shows the Netherlands with a couple of imp lead|pg|| nt|mikam1: yes, that 7 of diamonds didn't hurt him either :)|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hQ|nt|mikam1: so he will shortly claim|pg|| nt|lmilne: Thanks all... looking forward to an exciting last set to close out this dramatic Bermuda Bowl|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c2|nt|mikam1: thanks - bye for now|pg|| pc|c6|pc|hT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: speaking of 7@D = for full dissertation on beer card see recent bridge winners In The Well with greg humphries|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: last board of this very confusing set|pg|| mc|12|nt|lmilne: Next set 50 past the hour|pg|| nt|lmilne: 27 minutes|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SAKHA972DAQ6CAK92,SJ732HK53DT7C7643,ST864HQT84DJ82CJ8,SQ95HJ6DK9543CQT5|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|game over: 1@h artificial, forcing, 1@s shows a certain weak range, not sure if 0-4 or 0-5, 2@c artificial GF, (guesses)|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|nt|game over: then probably Puppet-stayman and 4@d choose one major|pg|| mb|4H|nt|algraves: so presumbably all that was to get to show a big BAL via 2NT and now puppet stayman to get to 4-4 hearats|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|nt|algraves: that picks up 3 diamond tricks if he wants them|pg|| nt|game over: EW lead low from doubleton but high from 10x (and the 9 from T9x, but not from K109, then 10)|pg|| nt|algraves: he would like to get 2 rounds of trump out but not a third , and plan to ruff 2 clubs|pg|| nt|game over: so South knows West is short in diamonds|pg|| pc|d2|nt|algraves: that is the very general plan|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: last board of this penultimate set -- restart at 10 before the hour|pg|| nt|game over: ah yes, @d 7 is dropping in theory you have 3 diamond tricks (looking at the suit alone), West can have 109 tight|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ahollan2: scoring software is using carryover cell to display penalty against opponent. i have no details about what happened in this match but would guess slow play|pg|| nt|game over: http://db.worldbridge.org/Repository/tourn/salsomaggiore.22/microSite/Results.htm|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|h8|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: sorry other me was in other room typing so i failed to describe this tarzan precision auction|pg|| pc|s8|nt|algraves: he has all those trump spots so he is working a line that makes against 4-1 divisions|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h2|pc|s7|pg|| nt|warrens: how about cash the A of @D, then 9 of @C's discarding the last @D from dummy?|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|d3|pg|| nt|warrens: :)|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|dJ|pc|h6|pg|| nt|warrens: can't go down now|pg|| nt|game over: I think @h A heart is now 100% (trick 7 or so)|pg|| nt|game over: @h A and a heart, assuming East does not have the last club|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| mc|11|nt|algraves: well played|pg|| nt|game over: that was the last board, thanks all|pg|| nt|game over: especially to our vugraph operator|pg|| pg||