vg|A 2022 Vanderbilt,SF - Q2 of 4,I,16,30,Rosenthal,33,Spector,13| rs|2NN=,3NN-1,2HN=,3DE=,2HE=,3HE-1,3HS=,3HS=,2HS=,1NN+1,4SN-1,4SN-1,3DE=,3DE=,4SS-1,4SS-1,4HN=,4HN=,3HS+1,4HN=,4SW=,5CSx-3,4CS-1,4SW=,3HN=,5CNx-4,1NW-3,1NW-2,2DE-1,4SEx=| pn|Rosenthal,Spector,Silverstei,G Wolpert,Demuy,Brogeland,Kranyak,Bakke|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2S86HKJ76DK98CQ943,SA532HQ52DT652CJ6,SKQJ9HA9DAJ73C872,ST74HT843DQ4CAKT5|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d2|pc|c8|pc|cT|pg|| nt|Vugraphzma: Welcome back|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|d9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2S86HKJ76DK98CQ943,SA532HQ52DT652CJ6,SKQJ9HA9DAJ73C872,ST74HT843DQ4CAKT5|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: Hello folks|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: EW convention card for upcoming bermuda bowl is availble by clicking on player name and then the link to WBF CC|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: John asking about A lead|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I was wondering myself about the lead|pg|| nt|ahollan1: lower of touching honors?|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: this millenium King is stronger lead vs NT. earlier days Ace asked for unblock or count but now it asks attitude|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|c2|pg|| nt|Cantorm: auction suggests minor suit mead, and @D not attractive, but maybe a small @C. Would certainly be more normal|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I very much like A and Q for attitude and K for length|pg|| nt|Cantorm: *lead (I just noticed)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: John thinking|pg|| nt|Cantorm: can make 9 if get everything right, but there is no reason to get them right|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: three clubs and SA tose. so has to find the Qs|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: apparently|pg|| nt|ahollan1: around the table: N: John E: Christian S: Vince W: Boye|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not 3@C losers if lose tricks to west|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: That's the rub:)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: as I said yesterday, 3N often the most interesting contract|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: John's laid hand down, and chin cupped now|pg|| nt|Cantorm: starting the @s seems natural, but thinking the play through for possible transportation problems|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: I hear you:)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: face down (the cards) I hope ;)|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: Cards now in hand but head still down|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: Demuy now has his head in his hands|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: EW trying to look bored|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I'm sure EW are thinking|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|nt|Cantorm: This is when you should ask "What if" about all sorts of eventualities|pg|| pc|s3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c9|pc|s5|pc|d3|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I'm sure he had good reasons for that, but I'm too much of a coward to play the 9|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dQ|mc|8|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3SK952HA942D63CA85,S83HT76DQJT4CKQT9,ST74HKJ53DA52CJ63,SAQJ6HQ8DK987C742|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|dJ|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|c9|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|h2|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3SK952HA942D63CA85,S83HT76DQJT4CKQT9,ST74HKJ53DA52CJ63,SAQJ6HQ8DK987C742|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: my guess -- east has 4@C so likely 2/3@S if 2@S then west odds on to hold @S10 and 3@S tricks available without worrying about @D|pg|| mb|r|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: not sure about that - eggs in basket - and could have tried a high @s first round|pg|| pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: i was asked about the age of Christian Bakke. do not know the answer but at most 28 since he won the 2020 Richard Freeman Junior Deal of the Year|pg|| nt|Cantorm: @C suit here has some similarities to @s in last deal|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: east born Nov 1995|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|h9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i can relate to the 19 part but not the rest|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: 1999?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1999 the computer programmers devoted all efforts to the Y2K bug|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: Bakke is not going to misguess the Cs|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|h2|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c4|mc|9|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SJT42H62DKJ85CKQJ,SK765HA43DT2CAT93,SQ93HKQ9D7643C864,SA8HJT875DAQ9C752|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|h3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SJT42H62DKJ85CKQJ,SK765HA43DT2CAT93,SQ93HKQ9D7643C864,SA8HJT875DAQ9C752|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: 3@C [3M-2] = 3+fit, INV 9-11|pg|| nt|Cantorm: hand fits the description perfectly|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in fun games we used to play a convention called "reduction bid" where east was allowed to convert 3@C to 2@H|pg|| nt|Cantorm: ducking looks good, to protect against @d switch|pg|| pc|cA|nt|Cantorm: hoping to set @c up for discard later|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: i was sober so the others probably had more fun with that treatment|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg|| nt|fuquay: Playing to ruff a diamond like E is doing looks very reasonable|pg|| nt|fuquay: Some days kings are onside :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nobody cares but actually WEST would make the reduction from 3@H to 2@H [if you don't accept, i want to be 1 level lower]|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h6|nt|Cantorm: Hi Greg, long time no see (at least, no co-commentate)|pg|| pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: Roth Stone used a constructive raise was 10-12 form partner and i adapted as hand that would accept at least one game try|pg|| nt|fuquay: Hi Martin|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| pc|d2|mc|8|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SQ74HAJ532DJ85CA6,SA9532HKDAQ32C985,SJTHT876DK7CKQJT2,SK86HQ94DT964C743|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|s5|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SQ74HAJ532DJ85CA6,SA9532HKDAQ32C985,SJTHT876DK7CKQJT2,SK86HQ94DT964C743|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|fuquay: EW at the other table had a system that allowed W to show the three card limit raised without going above the two level|pg|| mb|3H|nt|fuquay: on the last hand|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: hmmm is 3@C fit-showing, conventional mixed raise or conventional invitational raise|pg|| mb|p|nt|Cantorm: Al? Fit bid? Mixed raise?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Cantorm: looks most like fit bid to me|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sT|nt|Cantorm: Operator, any clue from ringside?|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s2|pc|h6|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|fuquay: The ACBL CC says limit raise|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SKQT75HJ863D94CK4,S432H54DAKQ7CQ975,SJ6HAQTDJ632CAT63,SA98HK972DT85CJ82|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|sQ|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| nt|fabsayc: last set all games, this set all part scores|pg|| nt|Vugraphzma: And the players are thinking harder over the part scores|pg|| pc|c9|mc|8|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SKQT75HJ863D94CK4,S432H54DAKQ7CQ975,SJ6HAQTDJ632CAT63,SA98HK972DT85CJ82|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d5|pc|d4|nt|Cantorm: kib says (thanks) " 3♣ 9-11, 3+♥, 3♦ mixed raise (6-8 4♥)|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i looked at CC but coudn't find anything where did you see it Greg?|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|s5|nt|fuquay: Under 1 of a major opener near the bottom of that box|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|nt|ahollan1: the only to player i know who likes fit-jumps in comp is David Berkowitz|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sT|nt|Cantorm: they were introduced to the world at large - along with fit non jumps - by Robson & Segal|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Excellent book on competitive bidding, now hard to get hold of (I wish my loaned copy would come back)|pg|| nt|fuquay: I am using the card that I got by clicking one of the names here|pg|| nt|fuquay: I think Kranyak|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: I'll correct score|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nah -- in the 1980s [long before Robson-Segal] we played them with the name "flower bids"|pg|| nt|fuquay: Many conventions have more than one creator in different places|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: B19 made 3|pg|| nt|Cantorm: didn't say them invented them, but the book spread the word|pg|| pc|c9|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|mc|8|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SQ82HAK4DQ762CAKT,S96HQJ8DAK94CQ743,SAJT543H96DT83CJ2,SK7HT7532DJ5C9865|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzma: Disciplined Weak 2. A rarily in these times|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|Vugraphzma: I don't know of many whould pass North.|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| nt|fabsayc: Gavin has to figure out what Warren's club jack meant|pg|| nt|fabsayc: it's called an "alarm clock" signal|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| nt|fabsayc: oh, i missed trick one :(|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|d8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s8|pc|c7|pc|sJ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|c8|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s5|pc|h3|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s4|pc|h5|pc|dQ|pc|hJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SQ82HAK4DQ762CAKT,S96HQJ8DAK94CQ743,SAJT543H96DT83CJ2,SK7HT7532DJ5C9865|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: ahh their WBF card does mention fit-jumps in comp|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i should have known to look there -- i added the link to the card so it is included in popup|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I would not pass the N hand, even red v green|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: popup for both pairs includes link to WBF card that will be used soon in the 2021 Bermuda Bowl which will be held in 2022|pg|| pc|c6|nt|Cantorm: Bermuda Bowl is week after next|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and i am NOT prepared|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| nt|fuquay: Any reason for declarer to guess this right? I don't see so.|pg|| pc|c9|nt|Cantorm: also the Venicce Cup, D'Orsi Trophy and Wuhan Cup (Women's, Seniors' and Mixed respectively|pg|| nt|fuquay: Maybe can't make it anyway|pg|| nt|ahollan1: they finally game a name to the Mixed? i didn't realize|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|sT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|s4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d6|mc|9|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SA8432HQT95D64CK6,SJT97HK64DQCA9532,SK6HAJ83DK9CJT874,SQ5H72DAJT87532CQ|sv|e|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|mc|9|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SA8432HQT95D64CK6,SJT97HK64DQCA9532,SK6HAJ83DK9CJT874,SQ5H72DAJT87532CQ|sv|e|mb|3D|nt|Cantorm: Yes I think either China or Wuhan provided some kind of support for it when it was held therer a few years ago|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: first 8-bagger of the day|pg|| mb|p|pc|cK|nt|Cantorm: I bet he considered 4@D but rejected it red v green|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SKQJ98654H53DAQC4,SAHJT2DT965432CA6,ST2HK97DJ7CKQJT73,S73HAQ864DK8C9852|sv|b|mb|1S|mb|2D|mb|3C|mb|d!|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|nt|Vugraphzma: This should be a pickup for Spector|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Vugraphzma: Sorry. Misread that. This should be a pus|pg|| nt|Vugraphzma: push|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|h5|pc|cA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SKQJ98654H53DAQC4,SAHJT2DT965432CA6,ST2HK97DJ7CKQJT73,S73HAQ864DK8C9852|sv|b|mb|1S|nt|Cantorm: partly rejected it too bc goes past 3N if pard has the right hand|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: this is NOT the first time this week that we have seen multiple 8-baggers in the same set|pg|| nt|fuquay: 3N?|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dK|nt|ahollan1: seeing a growing number of pairs playing opening 3N as strong 4M opener|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that would have led to final contract of ... 4@S|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c4|nt|Cantorm: would seem to make sense|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that looks MUCH better|pg|| nt|Cantorm: or are they controls|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: but still going down|pg|| pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SQJ5HAJ62DT62CAK5,S3H3DAKJ9754CT432,SAK86HQT95DQ3CJ86,ST9742HK874D8CQ97|sv|o|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|s2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|dT|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SQJ5HAJ62DT62CAK5,S3H3DAKJ9754CT432,SAK86HQT95DQ3CJ86,ST9742HK874D8CQ97|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: heading for 4@h - or 4@DX|pg|| mb|d|nt|Cantorm: ??|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D strange choice|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: well it does show 4+@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|s7|pc|d6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: now brogeland knows no @S ruff|pg|| nt|fuquay: And it was a much better suit than on the last hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it feels so strange not to already have other room score posted|pg|| nt|Cantorm: at this rate other room will start set 3 b4 these finish 2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 24 spector opens 4@D|pg|| nt|Cantorm: seems reasonable with those major holdings|pg|| nt|Cantorm: matching 3s|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that was not an option or brokeland since EW play Namyats in sets 1,2,4|pg|| nt|Cantorm: seats?|pg|| nt|fuquay: I assume you mean seats rather than sets ---|pg|| nt|fuquay: Although I find the idea of different systems in different sets interesting|pg|| nt|Cantorm: took me a minute of puzzling why in different sets b4 I figured it out - at same time as Greg it seems|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: in a fun friday night dup game - san diego circa 1976 - partner and i agreed: if i deal we play system X, if he deals we play system Y otherwise we play opponent's system|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|d4|pc|h9|nt|fuquay: This makes more sense if one is trying to prevent a spade ruff|pg|| mc|10|nt|Cantorm: your idea of fun ain't mine Al|pg|| pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3S5HKQJ62DT85CK853,SAT973H98D96CQJT2,SKJ42H7543DAQ4CA9,SQ86HATDKJ732C764|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|hQ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s8|pc|h2|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h6|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3S5HKQJ62DT85CK853,SAT973H98D96CQJT2,SKJ42H7543DAQ4CA9,SQ86HATDKJ732C764|sv|e|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: one common system in that game was Anti-Walsh: 5 card minors, convenient major, mandatory redouble, obigatory 4th best lead [KQJ9 leads 9]|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|fuquay: Sometimes lazy people fill out a convention card by writing "see partner's card"|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: NS non-vul 1st/2nd/3rd 1N = 14-16|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|fuquay: I once decided to play opponents system like Al mentioned and carried a convention card saying "see your own card"|pg|| nt|Cantorm: retransfering with 3@D|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i love that Greg|pg|| nt|Cantorm: 1N 14-16 Al? Or 15-17?|pg|| nt|fuquay: It is one way to guarantee being able to look at your convention card during the bidding|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: oops wrong pair NS always good 14-17|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i gave hurd-bathurst range|pg|| nt|Cantorm: 2@S transfer break shows 4+ fit and whatever feature you agree with pard|pg|| nt|Cantorm: here it seems they agreed on values|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but many play they break to a doubleton|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I prefer values|pg|| nt|fuquay: Declarer will try to improve chances by somehow endplaying E |pg|| pc|s5|nt|ahollan1: i have note that says 2@D TRF include 5@H 5@S a) INV b) void @C/@D|pg|| nt|Cantorm: doubleton is fine of xx, but not so good if Hx - or rather, the difference for pard in evaluation is enormous|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and 2@S = 4@H MAX|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c7|nt|ahollan1: brain screaming for a nap|pg|| nt|fuquay: Declarer is losing the endplay chances|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|h2|pc|s9|pg|| nt|fuquay: Athough still possible in diamonds|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: just noticed - 6 pushes in a row|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|h6|pc|s7|pg|| nt|fuquay: In the end position Declarer will have to guess diamonds|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| mc|10|nt|fuquay: Choosing to play T was part of the guess since W could have had D J|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @DT J K A then small @D is exacly the kind of problem we see presented in Bridge World each month in their card comination quiz|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: smoke break by Kranyak/Demuy|pg|| nt|ahollan1: T J Q K|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in the 70s pairs would take 'attitude adjustment' breaks smoking at the table was still [obscene] legal|pg|| nt|ahollan1: favorite story from when smoking still allowed at the table -- las vegas nationals day 1 of LM pairs they experimented with smoking and non-smoking rooms|pg|| pg|| qx|o26|st||md|4S43HA653D2CAQT874,SKQ92H82DQ986CK62,SJ85HKJ7DJ73CJ953,SAT76HQT94DAKT54C|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|2C|mb|d|mb|3C|mb|d|mb|p|nt|Vugraphzma: This deal shows how disruptive an overcall of 2@c over 1@d can be|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|nt|Vugraphzma: No guarantee to find the fit for E/W|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|r|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|pc|h4|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c26|st||md|4S43HA653D2CAQT874,SKQ92H82DQ986CK62,SJ85HKJ7DJ73CJ953,SAT76HQT94DAKT54C|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: before round ended the convention center had to be evacuated -- smoking room had triggered the detector|pg|| mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: i think that was 1990|pg|| mb|2C|mb|d|mb|3C|mb|4C|mb|5C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|nt|fuquay: This looks like one too many down|pg|| nt|ahollan1: spector in 4@S west|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: too slow|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| nt|fuquay: Interesting percentage question --- it is down 3 because both finesses are off for S. If one finesse worked it would be down 2 for a small gain. And if both were on it would be a big gain|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|d5|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1STH86542DTCAK9653,SA6543HKQJDAQ85C4,SKQ7H93DJ932CQJ87,SJ982HAT7DK764CT2|sv|o|mb|3C|mb|d|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1STH86542DTCAK9653,SA6543HKQJDAQ85C4,SKQ7H93DJ932CQJ87,SJ982HAT7DK764CT2|sv|o|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3D|an|a|nt|ahollan1: breaking news: bid72 and acbl concluded an agreement today about the ABC (the ACBL Bidding Contest). All ACBL members can bid in-app (bid72) 5 hands per week for free (no ...|pg|| nt|ahollan1: stringsattached). https://bid72.com/abc/ |pg|| mb|4C|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 3@D [3M-2] 3+fit, INV, 9-11 hcp|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| nt|fuquay: If declarer strips clubs and hearts now, N can be endplayed|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s8|mc|10|nt|Vugraphzmb: Kranyak conceded seeing the endplay coming|pg|| nt|fuquay: Did declarer actually ruff a club?|pg|| pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2SA3HAJ654DTCAQJT9,SK7HT3DKJ54CK8642,SQJ65HK98D873C753,ST9842HQ72DAQ962C|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c3|mc|9|pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2SA3HAJ654DTCAQJT9,SK7HT3DKJ54CK8642,SQJ65HK98D873C753,ST9842HQ72DAQ962C|sv|n|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: what do you do in 3rd seat with east after P-P|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: i vote for 1@D|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ahollan1: got that in just in time|pg|| mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 3@C good @D raise|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: i know kran has promised nothing but his holding worth 4@D rather than 4@H?|pg|| nt|fuquay: I do not know if 4@D shows values here or is just a transfer to hearts|pg|| nt|fuquay: S bid answers my question :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: you think it showed @H and 4@S = RKC?|pg|| mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: that does fit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|fuquay: I am confused at this point|pg|| pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: brogeland willing to live with the confusion|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s2|nt|fuquay: They made only three hearts at the other table, but that is probably because declarer was only in three |pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: This group of players play quite fast. It is a challenge keeping up with them|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3rd seat 1@D worked so much better than1@S for EW|pg|| nt|fuquay: They play fast, once they start playing :)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2 to play in the half gupta +5 over moss|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|nt|fuquay: Rule: when choosing which 5-3 fit to play in, choose the one that splits 3-2 and not the one that splits 5-0|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: corollary = stop below game in a partscore deal|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: Kranyak thinking, shaking his hea|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: head|pg|| nt|ahollan1: looking down in search of divine guidance?|pg|| nt|fuquay: If N had bit 4@H rather than 4@D, E would have had to underlead @D to beat it |pg|| nt|ahollan1: many asking so i will tell table: i think 4@D was good 4@H bid, 4@S RKC, 5@C 1 keycard, PASS - bad choice|pg|| pc|h4|nt|ahollan1: but imo worst was 4@D|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|h5|nt|fuquay: If 4@D was a good 4@H bid, wouldn't S return to 5@H?|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he was allowed to feign @H for RKC then stop with response was 5@C|pg|| nt|fuquay: There is no entry now for a @H finesse|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but i'm not signing anything that says i'm sure about this interpretation|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|d2|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h7|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3SKQ75HQ973DA7CT63,S32HA8DQJT864C842,SJ84HT6DK53CAQ975,SAT96HKJ542D92CKJ|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|d2|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d9|pc|s5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s6|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d3|pc|s9|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|dT|pc|d5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s8|pg|| mc|4|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3SKQ75HQ973DA7CT63,S32HA8DQJT864C842,SJ84HT6DK53CAQ975,SAT96HKJ542D92CKJ|sv|b|nt|fuquay: Was it -4 or just -3?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: Boye said down 4, Kranyak agreed|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1100|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: btw chalk board in U of I dup game was used to keep track of session count for "going for avogadro" which was defines as penalty of 1400 or more|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|nt|fuquay: The players are correct --- he cannot get out for -800 at that point|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|ahollan1: and DIAL down in a laydown|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|cK|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s6|pc|c6|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|c5|nt|ahollan1: i think i wish i could remember the other categories|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|d6|pg|| mc|5|pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4SKQ32HAK62DQ64CQ6,SJT754HQJT87DT73C,S6H954DJ852CJT952,SA98H3DAK9CAK8743|sv|o|nt|Vugraphzma: Last of the half.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzma: We will resume at 7:00 Reno time. (3 hours from now)|pg|| mb|1C|mb|d|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Vugraphzma: I don't particularily like reversing into a non existing suit, but it seems to be in fashion these days.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|d7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dQ|pc|h8|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cQ|pc|s4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|dJ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|h2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|h6|pc|sT|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|s3|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c7|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|sA|pg|| pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4SKQ32HAK62DQ64CQ6,SJT754HQJT87DT73C,S6H954DJ852CJT952,SA98H3DAK9CAK8743|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|1H|an|tr|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+@C|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = 4+@S|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = natural reverse i think|pg|| nt|Cantorm: last, thanks for watcvhing and al your comments|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: oh right|pg|| nt|Cantorm: time for last dog walk ans then bed´|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: long break now 2nd half starts in 2 hours 45 minutes [7 pm PDT]|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|nt|ahollan1: how much do you love the open room auction?|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|s8|pg|| nt|Cantorm: looks like OR East manufactured a reverse and W passed it|pg|| nt|fuquay: On a scale from 1 to 10, I hate it|pg|| nt|Cantorm: they say you can't argue with success - they don't say what you should do with failure|pg|| nt|Vugraphzmb: Head to the nearest bar|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg|| nt|fuquay: E is trying to figure out how to handle a 5-0 break, no need|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|s7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|hT|pc|d2|pc|c4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d5|pc|c7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sT|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d6|nt|Cantorm: better|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: did it matter?|pg|| mc|10|nt|fuquay: Didnt make any difference|pg|| nt|fuquay: But maybe it was better :)|pg|| pg||