vg|BBO1-2020EWG,ZC-FN2_3,I,1,20,GUPTA,14,SWISS TEAM,15| rs|6HN=,4HN+2,4DS-1,5HS-3,4HW+1,5HE+1,3DN+1,3DN=,5SN=,4SN+1,4HNx-1,5CEx-1,3NN-1,3NN-1,2HE+1,4HE-1,4SSx-1,4SSx-1,4SE+1,3NW+2,3DS+1,5CE-6,3DW+2,3NW-3,4HSx-2,4HSx=,4HS+2,4HS+2,3NE+3,3NE+2,4SE+1,4SE=,3NS+2,6DN=,1NW+2,3NE-1,4HSx=,3HS+1,1NN+2,2CN=| pn|ZIA,MULTON,MECKSTROTH,ZIMMERMANN,BRINK,HELGEMO,S DRIJVER,LORENZINI|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SQ5HJT2DAJTCAQT95,ST873HK84DKQ52C63,SKJ62HAQ753D4CK74,SA94H96D98763CJ82|sv|o|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|stc: The big guns are here|pg|| mb|2C|nt|Walddk2: Hello everyone and welcome back.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|an| |nt|stc: a fast start with a slam zone hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|nt|stc: undo ?!|pg|| mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|5N|mb|p|nt|stc: choice of slams ?|pg|| mb|6H|nt|Walddk2: We have voice commentary at this table with Peter Lund and Martin Cantor if you care to listen to their words of wisdom. |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: brink-drijver relay auction stops at 4@H|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Not a convincing auction when you are off two keycards.|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Pure luck decides this.|pg|| nt|stc: Lucky not to go via KCBW !|pg|| nt|stc: they may have stopped|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|Walddk2: Could just as well have been 11 IMPs in the other direction.|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|nt|stc: defitely a slam under 50%|pg|| pc|hA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: i had a partner who taught probability/statistics at university|pg|| pc|sA|nt|fuquay: Sounds scary to me|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he never caught on when i said all slams were 50%|pg|| mc|12|nt|ahollan1: they make or they don't|pg|| pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SQ5HJT2DAJTCAQT95,ST873HK84DKQ52C63,SKJ62HAQ753D4CK74,SA94H96D98763CJ82|sv|o|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|an| |mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2@C = relay, FG|pg|| mb|2S|an| |mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2@H = 4@S|pg|| mb|3C|an| |mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|nt|ahollan2: spies telling me3@C= 54 min|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|nt|ahollan2: meck-zia in 6@H|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c8|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SJ8HAKJ82DQ9832C5,SA73HQ43DJT65CAK4,SQT942H97DAK7C987,SK65HT65D4CQJT632|sv|n|mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|3N|nt|stc: or what hideous hog said : you should play bad slams because many good slams go down|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: See? They never have seven cards when the pre-empt at the 3-level. We had that debate during the first segment.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: over 3N drijver bid 4@D presumabley as a choice of game with @H tolerance and 5+@S|pg|| nt|fuquay: S has a pretty light overcall for the three level and may be worried|pg|| nt|stc: and as consequence not 9 in 3NT |pg|| nt|ahollan1: but brink bid 5@D ending in 5@H|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Only now does Zia realise that 3NT would have gone down.|pg|| nt|fuquay: S has to take care because his trumps are being shortened|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|fuquay: S knows that W, who should have long @D if anyone, will run out of @C|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|mc|9|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SJ8HAKJ82DQ9832C5,SA73HQ43DJT65CAK4,SQT942H97DAK7C987,SK65HT65D4CQJT632|sv|n|mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|3N|mb|4D|an| |mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 4@D must be type of last try choice of game|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|nt|ritong: hi thre :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan2: sitting north meck DBL rather than drijver's 4@D|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ritong: which a surprising bid|pg|| nt|ritong: is*|pg|| nt|ahollan2: zia ends in 4@D|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|ritong: could it be "choose your major" ?|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|c8|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|c2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c3|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SAQ86H87D985CJ976,SKT3HAT93DAT743CA,SJ9542HK6DJ2CK853,S7HQJ542DKQ6CQT42|sv|e|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: P-1@D-1@S with east do you bid DBL or 2@H?|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 2@H|pg|| nt|fuquay: Just barely 2@H|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|stc: in 5@h the other door|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i wouldn't ask if it wasn't close :)|pg|| nt|fuquay: Irrelevant question since W has an "obvious" 1N opener|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|Walddk2: I don't mind 1NT as you have an awkward rebid after 1@D 1@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h7|nt|fuquay: This is similar to Board 1 in that it is a slam depending mainly on @HK --- it is right not to bid it today|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c2|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| nt|fuquay: Hands like this put a large random factor into the game (as was pointed out before)|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAQ86H87D985CJ976,SKT3HAT93DAT743CA,SJ9542HK6DJ2CK853,S7HQJ542DKQ6CQT42|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|ritong: it will not win the board whatever it was|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|4S|nt|ahollan2: do you bid 2@H or DBL over 1@S?|pg|| nt|ritong: no doubt helgemo raises|pg|| mb|4N|nt|ritong: question is how|pg|| mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: two keys off|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan2: multon opened 1N with west cards|pg|| nt|ritong: should i hook or should i draw ?|pg|| nt|ritong: i guess draw|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hK|nt|ritong: ah|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SK2HA9876DJ765CT6,SQ9864HKQJT4D9CJ8,SJT3H3DKT832CAKQ9,SA75H52DAQ4C75432|sv|b|nt|stc: why B1 was right to bid|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|2S|nt|Walddk2: Lavazza finished 3rd, Russia 4th. They agreed to only play 20 boards.|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|stc: the random factor, yes, that's why we do not have Federer, Nadal, Djokovic in Bridge|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: opposite passed hand, both east players settle for 2@S rather than something more encouraging|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|nt|Walddk2: The winner collects 33,000 euros, loser 21,000. Plus medals and masterpoints of course.|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|dT|pc|c2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| mc|10|nt|Walddk2: We have voice commentary at this table with Peter Lund and Martin Cantor if you care to listen to their words of wisdom. You can't learn much by reading what *we* write.|pg|| pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SK2HA9876DJ765CT6,SQ9864HKQJT4D9CJ8,SJT3H3DKT832CAKQ9,SA75H52DAQ4C75432|sv|b|nt|ritong: unexpectedmove|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan2: 3 multon gets to play 4@H since 1N opener kept NS out of the auction|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2C|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = a) 5+@D b) 444@C|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 4441@C|pg|| mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: opposite passed hand, both east players settle for 2@S rather than something more encouraging|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|c8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|s2|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|d5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|d2|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|d6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dJ|mc|9|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SK9742HQ6DAT6C972,S3HT842DK72CQT865,SAQJ85HAKJDJ5CAJ4,ST6H9753DQ9843CK3|sv|n|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|fuquay: <---- Thinks one can learn from what Roland writes|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 4@C super-accept of spades, cue. |pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: brink-drijver mechanism over slightly stronger 2N [21-23] - 3@H - 3@S=3+fit - 3N = slam interest, no shortness|pg|| nt|fuquay: N has a fifth @S but also has a lot of Js|pg|| nt|stc: what is 5@s asking about ?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: They have everything under control, but they don't have 12 tricks.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|stc: and again great judgement |pg|| nt|ahollan1: 5@S = interest but cannot either a) initiate RKC b) cue anything new|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|s3|mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SK9742HQ6DAT6C972,S3HT842DK72CQT865,SAQJ85HAKJDJ5CAJ4,ST6H9753DQ9843CK3|sv|n|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|an| |nt|ahollan2: 2N = 21-23|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|an| |nt|ritong: bit dangrous hand imo|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 3@S = 3+fit|pg|| nt|ritong: however jacks quads might slow bas down|pg|| nt|ritong: and his pard is far from being max as well|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i believe 3N = slam interest, no shortness|pg|| nt|ahollan2: after known fit responder shows balanced or coded shortness with slam interest|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: clarksville terminus|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S652HQ52DJ9632CK9,SQJT74H9DK75CAJT3,SAK93HKJ87643DCQ7,S8HATDAQT84C86542|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|fuquay: 4@H looks easy at first but there is a potential @S ruff|pg|| nt|Walddk2: This is an excellent 5@C, but how do you get there now?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s8|nt|ahollan1: lorenzine bid 5@C which was doubled|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|Walddk2: 5@C is down on a diamond lead and that's unlucky.|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h9|pg|| nt|fuquay: 4@H is now easy|pg|| nt|stc: 5@cx in OR down because of @d ruff, 4@sx here down because of @s ruff|pg|| nt|fuquay: it just got harder :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if there is video there will be clickable buttor or option from the 'hamburger' menu|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|nt|stc: probably|pg|| nt|ahollan1: as you see 5@CX by the 4@H bidder got brink to lead lead @D|pg|| nt|fuquay: It is not completely obvious to W that E started with singleton @S|pg|| nt|Walddk2: It may not have helped, but I would lead the 8.|pg|| nt|stc: lots of imp on the next card|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|hT|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dA|mc|9|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S652HQ52DJ9632CK9,SQJT74H9DK75CAJT3,SAK93HKJ87643DCQ7,S8HATDAQT84C86542|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan2: zia-meck 2N opener 20-21 and their auction gets higher than brink-drijver currently 5@S waiting for meck to pass/bid|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: stonecold|pg|| pc|d3|nt|ritong: but...|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c7|pc|d4|pg|| nt|ritong: there is small snag|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ritong: and brink got the lightner-ish double|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S98HT8DA5CKJ96532,SKT3HQ643DKJ73CA8,SAQ752HK7DQT8CQ74,SJ64HAJ952D9642CT|sv|b|nt|stc: much needed by Swiss|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure if part of EW arsenal but growing number of pairs play 2nd/4th leads in middle of hand --- so @C8 would guarantee a higher @C|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Would Meck play small from dummy without the queen?|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cT|pc|cK|nt|fuquay: If he was smart enough to realize that W might have a problem|pg|| nt|ahollan1: another brink-drijver tool used on 7 3@C-3@D-3@H-3N-P 3@D forced 3@H then 3N was correctable [3@C-3N = absolute signoff]|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|cQ|nt|fuquay: W wanting a discard from partner to help his decision|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s8|pc|h4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h9|nt|Walddk2: I'm asked how long they are allowed to think before playing a card. Forever, in theory, as long as they play 20 boards in 2 hours and 50 minutes.|pg|| pc|d5|pc|h6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h2|mc|8|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S98HT8DA5CKJ96532,SKT3HQ643DKJ73CA8,SAQ752HK7DQT8CQ74,SJ64HAJ952D9642CT|sv|b|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 6 meck in 4@HX|pg|| mb|3D|an| |mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 3@D = PUP 3@H a) @H, to play b) @S, FG c) doubt about 3N d) @H & @S |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: so delayed 3N = correctable|pg|| pc|h5|nt|ahollan2: some pairs use 3@C-3@D to ask for 3-card major|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 6 swiss team picks up 7 by doubling in both room and defeating both contracts|pg|| nt|ritong: rather clever|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2S64HK6DQT8763CJ76,SAJHA84DK542CAQ95,SKT953HQ2DA9CKT32,SQ872HJT9753DJC84|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|fuquay: All I know about EW bidding and carding is from their CC http://livebridge.net/bbo/wbf/cc/3717-4458.pdf|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|nt|Walddk2: The lower the contract, the longer it takes.|pg|| nt|fuquay: Without a @C lead, declarer (if he reads it) can set up the @DK for a @C discard to make 4 |pg|| nt|stc: 4@h make after droping the A@d|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h6|nt|stc: Lorenzini in 4@h but probably down|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not sure if there are any changes but there is newer CC for EW at http://info.ecatsbridge.com/systems/2019EBLChampionsCup/Monaco_Multon-Zimmerman.pdf|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|fuquay: A club now will hold this to 3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c7|nt|fuquay: A club now will not hold to 3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| nt|Walddk2: lol|pg|| mc|9|nt|fuquay: unless finesse (which is actually reasonable)|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2S64HK6DQT8763CJ76,SAJHA84DK542CAQ95,SKT953HQ2DA9CKT32,SQ872HJT9753DJC84|sv|o|nt|ahollan2: 7 zia-meck 3@C-3N-end|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ahollan2: even if he wanted to, brink could not bid 2@D since that would show @S fit [2@H would show @D]|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s3|nt|ahollan2: what is best line to induce defensive revoke?|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ritong: the only way to make here is guessing @ds, assuming dummy can be joined and defense does not play @c|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|d3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ritong: there fore low @d right now|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|nt|ritong: wow !|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|ritong: but as aid, @c is lethal|pg|| nt|ritong: nice hand|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SAQ983HKJ4DCQ9743,SHAT9652DK65CKJT8,ST6542HQ7D9832C65,SKJ7H83DAQJT74CA2|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: 8 lorenzini in long struggle to eventually go down in 4@H|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|fuquay: 6@D is a good contract here EW|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|stc: 6@d ?|pg|| pc|d5|nt|stc: very good board for NS|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h4|nt|Walddk2: Let's be realistic. How do you suggest they get to 6@D after 4@S?|pg|| nt|stc: after same start Helgemo is thinking|pg|| nt|fuquay: I was making no judgement with my comment --- KJx of @S in E hand does not look good for offense|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 9 identical start in other room helgemo thinking with west cards about PASS or ?? 4N ??|pg|| nt|fuquay: so E double seems normal|pg|| nt|stc: and passes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: helgemo finally passes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so identical auctions|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|nt|fuquay: So now we can concentrate on the play here :)|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|nt|Walddk2: There's not a lot to it. Down 1.|pg|| pc|sA|nt|fuquay: With @C plays that just became dull too|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SAQ983HKJ4DCQ9743,SHAT9652DK65CKJT8,ST6542HQ7D9832C65,SKJ7H83DAQJT74CA2|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2H|nt|ritong: slam time again|pg|| mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ritong: of course the dutch boys do not intend to sit there and watch paint dry|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 9 identical auction in other room with multon PASS|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: is helgemo thinking about 4N?|pg|| mb|p|pc|d5|nt|ritong: birdie eagle, even|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h4|nt|ritong: same doouble bogey both rooms, though|pg|| nt|ritong: par was 6@d making|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sQ|nt|ritong: i believe|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ritong: for EW for NS it is a @s sacrifice|pg|| nt|ritong: higher than here|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d3|pc|sJ|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ritong: finito|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4S974HJT876D93C863,SK2HAK5DJ742C9754,SJ8HQ9432DA65CAQ2,SAQT653HDKQT8CKJT|sv|b|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: EW play gazzilli|pg|| nt|ahollan1: is east strong enough for 2@C?|pg|| mb|2C|an| |nt|stc: a border case|pg|| nt|ahollan1: never should have doubted|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: zimmermann shows strong hand with 5+@S 4+@D|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: strong being 15/16+|pg|| nt|ahollan1: many say game force after 2@D showing 8+|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|stc: I think that with 5-4 you bid 2@h|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|stc: 3@d must show 10 cards|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and some rebid 2N to show 6@S 4@C/@D|pg|| nt|stc: yes, not the case here|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d5|nt|fuquay: Can't we just press the "Next hand" button?|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sA|nt|ahollan1: i am told that EW play 1@S-1N//2!-2@D//? 2@H = 16+ w/ 3+@H 2N = 16-17 5233 so 3m = 16+ with 5+@S 4+ minor|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4S974HJT876D93C863,SK2HAK5DJ742C9754,SJ8HQ9432DA65CAQ2,SAQT653HDKQT8CKJT|sv|b|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an| |mb|d|mb|r|mb|2H|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ritong: intuitively you do not want to be in 3NT with 6430|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: not that it will fail here|pg|| pc|h2|pc|d8|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|cT|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dT|pc|c8|pc|dJ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|mc|11|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SA974H53DAKQT72CJ,SKQJT63HQJ762DJ3C,SHAKT84D86CKT8654,S852H9D954CAQ9732|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|2D|an|5!H5!S|nt|ahollan1: 10 drijver chose DBL over 1@S-P-1N helgemo playing 3N west|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Meckstroth's hand died after Michaels.|pg|| mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: 2@H as lowest q probably showing good hand with @C|pg|| nt|fabsayc: what is 2@H?|pg|| nt|fuquay: It hasn't died for him yet --- what if S had clubs?|pg|| nt|stc: clubs I think|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and guessing 2@S would show good had with @D|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|stc: is 3@d RF ?|pg|| nt|fuquay: By the way, 3N NS is not trivial because there might be a temptation to finesse @D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: no 3@D can be passed|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 3@D is not forcing in any book I know.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: over 1@D showing 5+@D or 4441@C helgemo bid 4@S!!|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|stc: that's way I asked|pg|| nt|vugrapho1: zIA SAID THAT £@D IS A GAME FORCING WUTH @C|pg|| pc|h4|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|Walddk2: I like 4@S and I like 1@S better than 2@D with such a strong 6-card suit.|pg|| pc|h2|nt|dburn: people have different views on the matter, I suppose|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|fabsayc: why not 2@S instead, how do you get to 3@D in Zia method|pg|| nt|stc: in OR N has big problems on 4@s|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| nt|stc: and bid 4NT|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|dburn: some play that 2@h is itself forcing to game - you bid 3@c with invitational values (or double, if that is the style)|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dT|nt|fuquay: W was rather timid here not bidding 3@S |pg|| pc|s3|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|sK|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|d2|pc|h6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SA974H53DAKQT72CJ,SKQJT63HQJ762DJ3C,SHAKT84D86CKT8654,S852H9D954CAQ9732|sv|o|mb|1D|nt|ahollan2: 1@D = a) 5+@D b) 4441@C|pg|| mb|4S|nt|ritong: overcalling two suited is awkward with top suit longer|pg|| nt|ahollan2: slightly different auction in other room|pg|| nt|ritong: because if pard picks the low suit, it is not certain that it is the best fit|pg|| nt|ritong: so geir makes it simple |pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@D[3+] - 2@D [5+@H 5+@S] - 2@H [@C] - P // 3@D - end|pg|| mb|4N|an| |nt|ritong: 4NT = two places to play, presumably|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 4N probably 2 laces-to-play|pg|| nt|ahollan2: places|pg|| nt|ahollan2: or what henri typed|pg|| nt|ritong: lol|pg|| nt|ritong: brink will not be seduced, tho|pg|| nt|ritong: assuming cedric does not compete|pg|| nt|ritong: if so, sjoert will know what to do i guess|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|nt|ritong: 5@s will be horribly expensive|pg|| nt|ritong: contract next room was way quieter|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: this will not stay, of course|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: wow|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ritong: bas estimates that this will score better than 5@s doubled|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|s3|pc|hT|pc|d9|pg|| nt|ritong: i admit i have not this sort of courage|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ritong: i receive messages about the nature of the double if north does doubl|pg|| nt|ritong: "perhaps it is take out" yadda yadda mind you, he has shown two places to play|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|c5|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|d2|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|s9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|cK|pg|| pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQJ7HAKDQ3CJT9853,SAK9H96D98765CK74,ST43H87542DT4CQ62,S8652HQJT3DAKJ2CA|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|d|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|fuquay: that is also true|pg|| nt|stc: very exciting bidding in OR on B11|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 1NT is mini at these colours.|pg|| nt|fuquay: sorry, that was a response to comments that E was timid as well|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 10-13|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fuquay: Is this really the auction?|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cA|nt|Walddk2: Unusual to stop short of game with 15 opposite at least 10.|pg|| nt|stc: needs @s lead to beat 5@d|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| nt|dburn: why not? 2@d showed diamonds, so East raised them|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| nt|fuquay: stopping below game|pg|| nt|dburn: needs pickaxe to beat 3NT, mind|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|nt|fuquay: I am just looking at E hand with a minimum of 10 HCP from partner|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h2|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQJ7HAKDQ3CJT9853,SAK9H96D98765CK74,ST43H87542DT4CQ62,S8652HQJT3DAKJ2CA|sv|n|mb|p|nt|ritong: winning the board no matter what|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|2C|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: NS play Raptor 1N overcalls, but i think not after 3rd seat opener|pg|| nt|ritong: why would it be so ?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: when Raptor applies 2@C bid tends to deny 4@H/@S|pg|| nt|ritong: yes, absolutely|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|d4|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| nt|ahollan2: raptor 1N overcall aka polish 1N after (1m)-1N = 5+other minor and 4@H/@S after (1M)-1N = 4 other major and 5+@C/@D|pg|| nt|ritong: http://www.bridgebum.com/raptor_1nt.php|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s5|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|nt|ahollan2: i had a lot of good results playing raptor both when 1N was bid and when it was not [inferences about other major(s) powerful stuff] |pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan2: the problem hands for me were strong 1N|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3ST85HA83DK5CAKJ95,SKQ732HTDT3CQT863,SAJ64HK9652DJ72C4,S9HQJ74DAQ9864C72|sv|b|nt|dburn: perhaps he thought 3@d was forcing, or perhaps he didn't like to offer 3NT once clubs had been doubled|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i'm not convinced that 2@D showed @D |pg|| nt|dburn: and that "minimum of 10 hcp" is not always the case with mini no trumps these days, any more than "15-17" will always have at least 15|pg|| nt|ahollan1: initial thought was 2@D = @C stop, not 4@H/@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2S|an|4!C+4!S+|nt|stc: B11 Lorez in 5@c undoubled !!|pg|| mb|3D|an| |nt|dburn: he may not make it|pg|| mb|d|nt|fuquay: N was probably not sure that he could beat 5@S|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fuquay: And was pretty confident about beating 5@C :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i thought 2@S = 5+@S 5+@C/@D|pg|| nt|dburn: still, if the defence is accurate it can get the very rare score of 350|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|fuquay: CC says 2@S = 5@S + minor (but does not specify minor length)|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d2|nt|ahollan1: btw other room 11 1@D-4@S-4N-5@C-all pass|pg|| nt|dburn: here, what with that useful @h10 in West's hand East may be able to pick up an extra 100 by doubling|pg|| nt|ahollan1: already down 3 and north now holds only 6@C|pg|| nt|fuquay: The 5@C bid at the other table hand two common possible meanings --- natural or a raise to 5@S with clubs (lead director if necessary) |pg|| nt|fuquay: had|pg|| nt|ahollan1: final on 11 5@C undoubled -300|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|pg|| nt|stc: Better than 5@s x|pg|| nt|stc: much better|pg|| nt|dburn: declarer can arrange to lose only one heart, but he can't arrange to take care of all his losing clubs as far as I can see|pg|| nt|ahollan1: still 1 more set of 20 boards in the championship match, so a bit premature to wonder about tiebreaker|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dJ|nt|dburn: he can set up three tricks in spades, but he can't cash them|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| nt|stc: @d now|pg|| nt|fuquay: S may suspect that E @H are stronger (QJTx or QJTxx) and is trying to minimize the penalty|pg|| nt|dburn: he can play an old boot now, as long as it isn't a heart honour|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|h3|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|c7|pc|s5|pg|| nt|dburn: ouch - this is down two now|pg|| nt|stc: Dec misguessed @d and went -3 in 3NT on B12|pg|| pc|s7|nt|fuquay: I expected him to play @H8 rather than @H3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3ST85HA83DK5CAKJ95,SKQ732HTDT3CQT863,SAJ64HK9652DJ72C4,S9HQJ74DAQ9864C72|sv|b|nt|ahollan2: you either have to PASS or DBL with hands that won't always know what to do with balanced shape|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|ritong: perhaps it s not the right place and the right time, but i play raptor for 30 years and i won t give it up|pg|| mb|2S|an| |nt|ahollan2: 4 ranges of 1N for NS [vul] 15-17 [favorable] 1st/2nd: 9-12 3rd: 9-14 [else] 12-14|pg|| nt|ritong: you can call me stubborn, though:)|pg|| mb|3D|an| |nt|ahollan2: 3@D = INV+ @H|pg|| mb|d|mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ritong: zimcaught them in 4@h|pg|| mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: let s see if a trick disappears|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ritong: one side or the other, that is|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h2|nt|ritong: so far so good i predict one off|pg|| nt|ritong: danger|pg|| nt|ritong: 1 down is 7 away making is 15 away|pg|| nt|ahollan2: if east ends up playing @H4 can we still call it a smooth duck?|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|ritong: whoops|pg|| nt|nielsvbij: if he gets this wrong it would probably be because he's expeting 4@h in S|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| nt|ahollan2: hideous hog: if you are going to do the wrong thing - do it quickly|pg|| nt|ahollan2: is brink certain about the minor suit distribution?|pg|| nt|nielsvbij: i prefer the quote the other way round: if you do it quickly - you are going to do it wrong|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i.e. would helgemo lead @D10 from @DQT9xx|pg|| nt|nielsvbij: E has @d for his X on 3@d surely?|pg|| nt|ritong: lorenzini has shown @ds|pg|| nt|ahollan2: oops forgot about 1st double|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s3|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h3|pc|c3|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|h6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|c9|nt|nielsvbij: excellent work by Brink|pg|| pc|cT|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|d4|nt|ritong: yes his line was great outplaying zia, by the way|pg|| pc|sT|mc|10|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4S8765HKQ852D764C5,SKT4H7DQJ93CAK962,SAQJHAJT93DA5CQJ4,S932H64DKT82CT873|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|pc|c4|nt|dburn: the EW pair at the other table having averaged 4.5 undertricks per deal, Swiss Team have the match lead, but still some way to go|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h8|nt|ahollan1: 13 brink also ends in 4@HX|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|cQ|mc|12|nt|fuquay: NS miss an obvious slam (only needs @S 3-3 with K onside) :)|pg|| pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4S8765HKQ852D764C5,SKT4H7DQJ93CAK962,SAQJHAJT93DA5CQJ4,S932H64DKT82CT873|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|ritong: with a little help from his friend, but board was won already simply more expensive that way|pg|| nt|nielsvbij: I would also credit the Poles with some very good defending, but Brink made sure to punish Lorenzini's @hQ|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|nielsvbij: Multon-Zimmerman*|pg|| nt|nielsvbij: that one swing was equal to everything the swiss scored in session 1|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|ritong: gupta team has entered the danger zonz|pg|| nt|ritong: *zone|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ahollan2: still one more 20-board segment to play in the championship match|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c8|pc|hQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SQ5HAQ973D64CKJ85,SKJT83HJDQT98CA93,S9764H842DJ72C742,SA2HKT65DAK53CQT6|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| nt|fuquay: There is a "simple" strip squeeze here once @S comes in|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| nt|fuquay: Play @D and @S winners leaving @HK and @CQT in E hand|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c8|pc|d9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|hJ|mc|12|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SQ5HAQ973D64CKJ85,SKJT83HJDQT98CA93,S9764H842DJ72C742,SA2HKT65DAK53CQT6|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ahollan2: most north americans use 2@H to guarantee fit|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|nt|ritong: it does 90% of the time|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: was 2N forcing?|pg|| nt|ritong: you also have to cover huge hands, and what else than a cue ?|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i would be scared to do that at the table without prior discussion|pg|| nt|ahollan2: but maybe this must be forcing per henri's other 10%|pg|| nt|ahollan2: if just wanting to invite immediate 2N|pg|| nt|ahollan2: hmm unless immediate 2N = 4+fit|pg|| nt|ritong: most likely, yes|pg|| nt|ritong: it is similar to "support " doubles 90% of the time, three cards support but also covers unbiddable strong hands|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: both tables >2300 kibitzers|pg|| mb|p|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c7|pc|cT|pg|| nt|ritong: back in business :)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|h8|pc|cQ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d5|pc|hQ|pc|dT|mc|11|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2S542HJ64DQT2CKQ74,SKJT7H85DKJ98CA65,S9HKQ32DA76CT9832,SAQ863HAT97D543CJ|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: 13 lorenizini split @H honours on first round of trump. brink about to claim making 4@HX|pg|| nt|fuquay: wow, I was betting on -1|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Look at the diamond position. You couldn't have placed them better yourself.|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|stc: Great play from Brink + E error, he split in @h |pg|| nt|dburn: well, declarer made it awkward in 4@h doubled - he won the second diamond and played a spade to the queen and ace, then led a low heart and East went in with an honour|pg|| nt|dburn: he still had to work, but he had a clear idea of the distribution from the auction|pg|| nt|stc: anyway he was going to score 8 for only -1|pg|| nt|fuquay: By the way, when we use the word "error" we sometimes mean a play that did not work out on the particular hand|pg|| nt|stc: sure|pg|| nt|fuquay: It is often harder to figure out the exact problem that a player faced at the table|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s3|pc|s2|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Let's remove error and mistake from our vocabulary and use judgement. That covers everything, I suppose.|pg|| pc|s7|pc|cT|pc|s8|pc|s4|pg|| nt|dburn: at any rate, there is some daylight between the teams for the first time, but nothing by any means conclusive|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|sT|nt|stc: I am wondering if there was any chance to beat with A10x(x) in S|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|s6|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|sA|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|cQ|pc|h8|pc|hK|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2S542HJ64DQT2CKQ74,SKJT7H85DKJ98CA65,S9HKQ32DA76CT9832,SAQ863HAT97D543CJ|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: standard game try|pg|| nt|ritong: admittedly ced has a hand, here|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: he is close to making five, so ten tricks should be a cake walk|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h2|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|nt|ritong: will be 10 tricks|pg|| nt|ritong: oops|pg|| nt|ritong: i prepared it and sent by error|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|ritong: ditto|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ritong: claimer now|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3STHAKJ2DAKJ8CAK54,S98754H753D5CJT72,SKQ632HQTDQT76C83,SAJH9864D9432CQ96|sv|o|mb|p|nt|stc: You are right about vocabulary but on the other hand also great champions may be tired or make errors|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|dburn: 6@d decent contract here, but bidding it not easy|pg|| nt|fuquay: Here 6@D is a good contract|pg|| nt|fuquay: But 6N is not|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|dburn: making it may not be easy either, what with 4-1 trumps|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: but nothing else too horrible, so if you get to it you'll make it|pg|| nt|fuquay: Just have to make sure that one ruffs a black suit loser in one of the hhands|pg|| nt|fuquay: The @D spots are very good|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| nt|dburn: still, one prerequisite for reaching 6@d is that someone has to bid diamonds|pg|| nt|fuquay: good point :)|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3STHAKJ2DAKJ8CAK54,S98754H753D5CJT72,SKQ632HQTDQT76C83,SAJH9864D9432CQ96|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: i would not be ashamed to reach 6@d here|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 2@C FG|pg|| nt|ritong: although strong three suiters often problematic hands|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ahollan2: i think 2N = 24+|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 3N = not 3+@S|pg|| nt|ritong: facing 24 or so bas will no doubt continue|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: remember earlier hand where accepting transfer guaranteed 3+fit|pg|| mb|6D|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: scientists have a way to differentiate 4/5-card minors|pg|| nt|ritong: easy living|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: is it cold ? yes, as cold as arctic is|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|h3|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ritong: one @s ruff is enough to gather 12 tricks|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|h5|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ritong: next|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|dK|pc|s5|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SQJ732HT862D2C987,S96HK975DAJT76C64,SAKHQ43DQ943CQJT3,ST854HAJDK85CAK52|sv|n|nt|dburn: surprised Zia didn't, really - he could always bid 2@d then 3@h over whatever|pg|| nt|ahollan1: both tables >2300 kibitzers|pg|| mb|1C|an| |nt|fuquay: Zia had a lot of HCPs for his bidding|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|an| |mb|p|nt|dburn: kind of hand that might be good for the Dutch relays at the other table|pg|| mb|1H|an| |nt|stc: good point|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|dburn: East-West use 10-12 1NT in this situation|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@H |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 10-13 for EW mini-nt|pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: 13? that's not a mini - that's pretty close to strong these days|pg|| pc|d3|nt|fuquay: On the last hand, I assume that Ns 2@S was unlimited (of course he was limited by initial pass)|pg|| nt|dburn: 3NT not a bad spot on these cards, but probably won't make|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|s3|pg|| nt|dburn: well, unless North leads a diamond of course|pg|| mc|9|nt|fuquay: Seems like an unusual choice to me |pg|| pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SQJ732HT862D2C987,S96HK975DAJT76C64,SAKHQ43DQ943CQJT3,ST854HAJDK85CAK52|sv|n|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ritong: standard game try|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|c9|nt|ritong: i meant, bid game try to make it|pg|| nt|ritong: situation looks favorable, with blocked @ss|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i wonder who first used that line -- i know AT LEAST 50 years old|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|nt|ahollan2: re: game try|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ritong: you are looking for trouble, boyo ? :)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan2: just trying to stay awake for 2 more boards|pg|| nt|ritong: fair|pg|| nt|bebechira: hello everybody|pg|| nt|ritong: traian !|pg|| nt|bebechira: there is a chance to start the last set a little early|pg|| nt|ritong: hope you do not bring bad news|pg|| nt|bebechira: if both teams agree|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ritong: ah fine|pg|| pc|dA|nt|ahollan2: thx for update|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d4|pc|c2|nt|bebechira: we are supposed to start 60 mins from now...|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h3|pc|c5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s4|nt|bebechira: BUT..we discussed with OC and they said if both teams agree , we can start earlier|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|ritong: ok with us|pg|| nt|ritong: :)|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SJT96HAQJ32DTC972,SK742HT86DKQ32CQ5,SAHK954D98764CA84,SQ853H7DAJ5CKJT63|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: i think 1@C-1@D-1N would be 18-20 so 1@H = 2/3 fit with the balanced hand that could not open 1N and weaker than 18-20|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|r|nt|ahollan1: maybe range for 1N rebid 17-19 i'm just not sure|pg|| nt|Walddk2: All of a sudden Switzerland will be in contention at the Europeans in June. I'm surprised that no one formed a team in Liechtenstein or Andorra.|pg|| mb|3S|nt|dburn: may not be too late|pg|| mb|4H|nt|stc: Switzerland will just replace Monaco, the other bridge big power|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the 2020 european championships identify which 8 countries will send teams to 2021 world championships|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2020 world championships are world bridge games [nee bridge olympiad] is 1 team per country|pg|| nt|stc: If the champioship will be played....|pg|| nt|fuquay: It looks like 4@H makes here (exact play depending on defense)|pg|| nt|dburn: Multon may be expecting more from Zimmermann, judging by his bidding|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|fuquay: with trump lead, take a double finesse in @S (pitching @C on first one)|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|stc: We just received a letter explaining that they will follow WHO recommendations, and so on|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2020 europeans in madeira 2020 world championships scheduled for salsomaggiore italy|pg|| nt|ahollan1: apologies if i have misspelled city - again|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg|| nt|fuquay: You spelled city correctly|pg|| nt|ahollan1: once in a row!!|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|s4|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h7|nt|fuquay: It is even more impressive that you spelled Salsomaggiore correectly|pg|| nt|stc: Drijver, after a quite natural sequence in 6@d|pg|| nt|stc: short ne relays|pg|| nt|ahollan1: brink treated the 1444 hand as 24+ BAL|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s5|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| nt|dburn: really?|pg|| mc|10|nt|fuquay: S had all the tricks with a cross ruff|pg|| nt|dburn: ah, OK|pg|| pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SJT96HAQJ32DTC972,SK742HT86DKQ32CQ5,SAHK954D98764CA84,SQ853H7DAJ5CKJT63|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|ritong: OC stands for organisation commitee i guess|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: in my family OC = obsessive compulsive|pg|| nt|ritong: +t|pg|| nt|ahollan2: 1@D = a) 5+@D b) 4441@C|pg|| mb|3H|an| |mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 3@H = 4-fit, min, unbal|pg|| pc|h6|nt|ahollan2: first soft result for brink-drijver|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|ritong: i discovered prison break recently find it awesome|pg|| nt|ritong: oops sorry private !|pg|| nt|ahollan2: i was going to ask why you were locked up|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ritong: heh|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|h2|pc|d2|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Because he raised a major with three cards.|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|c4|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|stc: The swing ends a 56 IMP run of Swiss|pg|| nt|bebechira: i will keep you posted what time we will resume....|pg|| nt|ritong: 420 is 9 imp|pg|| nt|ritong: thanks traian|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|h3|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|h5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s5|pc|hA|pc|dK|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|nt|stc: Brink Drijver had a great set with good decisions all along|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SKJ62H873DKT93CQ9,SAT973HJ54D854CT8,S54HA962DJ6CAK742,SQ8HKQTDAQ72CJ653|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: one more set of 20 after this board|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|Walddk2: Last board of the set now. Welcome back in 50 minutes, 5 mins past the hour.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h2|nt|Walddk2: They reached 6@D on 17 next door. Handsome lead for Swiis now.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Swiss even|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|d9|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|dT|mc|9|nt|fuquay: thx all|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other table on 18|pg|| nt|ahollan1: just announced in other room -- the teams are allowed to start final set earlier than schedule|pg|| pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SKJ62H873DKT93CQ9,SAT973HJ54D854CT8,S54HA962DJ6CAK742,SQ8HKQTDAQ72CJ653|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|nt|ritong: last shot|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan2: 1@C = 2+@C almost but not 100% forcing|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: should not bleed|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|ahollan2: 1@S = 7+hcp 4+@S maybe longer @D|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: small swing to gupta|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|nt|ahollan2: if drijver makes 2@C|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pg|| nt|ritong: so that makes a little less than 30 imp nothing irreversible|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d3|nt|ahollan2: well even down one only 6 imps|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|nt|ahollan2: i think with lorenzini having shown so much already that drijver was always going to get @S righ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|d9|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ritong: merci a tous play may resume earlier than scheduled|pg|| mc|8|nt|ahollan2: i am told OR really 120|pg|| nt|ahollan2: don't go too far - possible early restart|pg|| pg||