vg|BBO1 - 18th ECC,RR10,I,1,10,MONACO FMB,0,ISRAELI CHAMPIONS,0| rs|4SE+2,4SE+1,5CS=,5CN=,4SN=,5DE-1,4SW+2,4SW=,6HE-1,6HE-1,6NS+1,6NS+1,3NW=,3NW+1,3DS+1,2HW-1,7DS=,7DS-1,4SE-2,4SE-1| pn|MARTENS,BAREKET,MULTON,LENGY,ZACK,KLUKOWSKI,BAREL,GAWRYS|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3S93HAJ876DKT75C65,SQJT84H2DAJ94CJ92,S7HQT9543D832CKT3,SAK652HKDQ6CAQ874|sv|o|mb|2D|an|.|mb|2S|mb|d|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c4|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|cA|mc|12|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3S93HAJ876DKT75C65,SQJT84H2DAJ94CJ92,S7HQT9543D832CKT3,SAK652HKDQ6CAQ874|sv|o|mb|2D!|mb|d|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|3S|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = weak 2M, 5-11 // 2@S = pass/correct|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|h3|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cT|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SA85H6D8CAKJT6532,SQJTHAJT873DKQ9C7,S63HK52DAT7532C98,SK9742HQ94DJ64CQ4|sv|n|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|c9|mc|11|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SA85H6D8CAKJT6532,SQJTHAJT873DKQ9C7,S63HK52DAT7532C98,SK9742HQ94DJ64CQ4|sv|n|mb|p|mb|4N!|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 4N analog to Namyats -- showing good 5@C/@D opener|pg|| mb|5C!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 5@C pass/correct|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i assume|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|hJ|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SAQ8HKQ9853DK83CQ,SKTHDJ97642CAJ543,SJ97654HADQCT8762,S32HJT7642DAT5CK9|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|2N|an|.|mb|3S|mb|4D|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h3|pc|d2|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAQ8HKQ9853DK83CQ,SKTHDJ97642CAJ543,SJ97654HADQCT8762,S32HJT7642DAT5CK9|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|2N!|mb|3S!|mb|4D|mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|5D|nt|ahollan1: common agreement for Unusual Vs Unusual is that bid of the 4th suit = competitive|pg|| nt|ahollan1: and one of the 2 cue bids used to show FG or INV+ hand with the 4th suilt|pg|| nt|ahollan1: historically low q = low suit hi q = hi suit but that is not theoretically best|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but it is easy to remember|pg|| nt|ahollan1: CCs http://www.ecatsbridgenews.com/eblsystems/default.asp?dir=2019_ChampionsCup_EBL|pg|| nt|ahollan1: main page http://db.eurobridge.org/repository/competitions/19bucharest/microsite/Results.htm|pg|| nt|pelu: over 2Nt N has almost the same options: 3@c0 forsing with @s, 3@D = forsing with @h, 3@H and 3@S not forsing|pg|| nt|ahollan1: did DBL show a) extra defense b) extra offense that is something partnerships must discuss [and agree upon]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: that is better peter with the mnemonic being low q = INV+ in 4th suit hi q = raise|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: easy close suit is your suit - u are close to yourself:)|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: suggestion "b) extra offense" better described as "i want to bid more" |pg|| pc|d2|pc|hA|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|nt|pelu: looks like down 1 a later @c-loser|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg|| nt|pelu: East almost know how all the cards (not @cD) are placed and S with 3-6-3-1|pg|| nt|ahollan1: for north americans @CD = @CQ|pg|| pc|s8|nt|ahollan1: dame|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s2|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry;)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i've read enough dutch/danish/italian system notes to recognize the various abbreviations :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: many funny stories from eddie kanter when he played in france and could not tell which honours he held|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|c9|nt|pelu: I can follow - I had the same problem when I played 1. time i France - and made a 3x fines after a J (V on France) and I was missing the King (R)|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SA3H654DQT5CK9543,SKJT987HK8DAKJCQT,SQ6HT73D9642CA876,S542HAQJ92D873CJ2|sv|b|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hJ|mc|12|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SA3H654DQT5CK9543,SKJT987HK8DAKJCQT,SQ6HT73D9642CA876,S542HAQJ92D873CJ2|sv|b|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = forcing 3-way polish club|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: sorry other me typing in other match|pg|| pc|d3|nt|ahollan1: 1@S does not clarify hand at all -- can be strong 5+@S, or weak NT with 3/4@S|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: mild correction 1@S always 4+@S since 1@C-1@H-1N=weak nt|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|nt|ahollan1: i was thinking 1@C-1@D-1@S|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h6|pc|cT|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h9|mc|10|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S98HT82DA7652C853,SAKJHJ65DQ9CAQ642,SQ76542H74DKTCJT9,ST3HAKQ93DJ843CK7|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|an|.|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S98HT82DA7652C853,SAKJHJ65DQ9CAQ642,SQ76542H74DKTCJT9,ST3HAKQ93DJ843CK7|sv|n|mb|p|nt|pelu: a slam missing AK in same suit is not a good chance|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H at most 17 hcp|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: 2@C NOT auto FG|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: looks like East made a false quebid in OR in @d|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: or 4@D last train|pg|| mb|3N!|nt|pelu: but the train didnt stop ;)|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: :)|pg|| mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i wonder about difference between klukowski rebid of 3@H vs 2@H|pg|| nt|pelu: now Al what is 4@d?|pg|| mb|4N|nt|ahollan1: here too 4@D looks like last train -- some interest but not willing to bid beyond 4@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: another topic for partnership discussion: when playing serious/non-serious is 3@S purely artificial OR does 3@S show @S control without clarifying strength|pg|| nt|pelu: I must admit - I am not impressed - both tables in 6@h missing !AK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the latter seems so much more normal to me, but i don't think it is the default approach|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think default 3@S = non-serious saying nothing about @S and 3N = serious + @S control|pg|| nt|ahollan1: then 3@S-3N also shows @S control|pg|| nt|pelu: S found the lead of @dA - making on non-@D-lead with @cs 3-3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|nt|pelu: well done NS - both tables|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| mc|11|nt|ahollan1: the idea behind serious/non-serious is that in a game force with agreed major of 8+fit that 3N is not going to be a final contract|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SJ75HQJ632DA3CAK7,SK862HK9875D96C98,SAQHATDKQT542CQT4,ST943H4DJ87CJ6532|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SJ75HQJ632DA3CAK7,SK862HK9875D96C98,SAQHATDKQT542CQT4,ST943H4DJ87CJ6532|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|pelu: this time the slam is fine - @ds 3-2 and the are 12 tricks|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: was waiting for peter to say something like another train derailed|pg|| mb|3D|nt|pelu: 2NT - transfer to @d - weak or strong?|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4D|nt|ahollan1: CC just says 4-suit TRF|pg|| mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|nt|pelu: = transfer to all 4 suits|pg|| mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: few % better played by N|pg|| nt|ahollan1: many play that transfer to minor then next suit = EITHER bal or short in other minor|pg|| nt|ahollan1: of course the pair also has to know difference of completing the transfer and bidding the setp|pg|| nt|pelu: many?? - most normal u break the transfer with strong @ds|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if complete transfer = like your suit then 1N-2N-3@C = don't like @D and responder can PASS with 5@D 5@C weak hand|pg|| nt|pelu: have u read my system notes Al? ;);)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i am not allowed to answer that question|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|d9|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SA54HJT8DJ82CT643,SQJ98H43DKQ65CKJ2,SKT3HA762DT973C85,S762HKQ95DA4CAQ97|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|an|.|mb|p|mb|1S|an|.|mb|p|mb|2D|an|.|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SA54HJT8DJ82CT643,SQJ98H43DKQ65CKJ2,SKT3HA762DT973C85,S762HKQ95DA4CAQ97|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: forcing multi-purpose 1@C|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@H = nat, 7+hcp, can have longer @D|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D ART FG|pg|| pc|d3|nt|pelu: only 2 tables bid the "slam" on B5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: once upon a time i could just type 4th suit FG now it might be XYZ so i waffle with ART FG|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s6|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|h2|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: monaco is a lock for the top bracket // israel 13+ VPs out of 4th so close match is last thing they need|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2ST64HQ82DQT754CKT,SKJ97HK54DK6CAQJ5,SAQ52HA3DA93C7643,S83HJT976DJ82C982|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|c8|pc|sT|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|d3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|hT|pc|d4|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|d7|mc|11|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2ST64HQ82DQT754CKT,SKJ97HK54DK6CAQJ5,SAQ52HA3DA93C7643,S83HJT976DJ82C982|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: one more 10-board match to complete the round robin|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: then 12-team field split into 3 brackets with top bracket playing for medals|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c6|nt|ahollan1: all teams play 2 matches tomorrow yielding final standing of absolute rank of 1 thru 12|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|nt|pelu: Monaco - Italy and Onstein almost safe in top4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|h8|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: onstein defending champs|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2 years ago a different onstein team won|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3ST54HDAKJ9862CAT5,SQHAQJT76542DCQ96,SAK9876HDT7543CK3,SJ32HK983DQCJ8742|sv|e|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|4H|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|7D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|d7|pc|h3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|h2|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3ST54HDAKJ9862CAT5,SQHAQJT76542DCQ96,SAK9876HDT7543CK3,SJ32HK983DQCJ8742|sv|e|nt|ritong: this is the story of a hare who led ruff and sluff vs a grand slam guess it is painful|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: final matches on vugraph will be: israel vs netherlands white house // netherlands onstein vs england|pg|| nt|pelu: yes @hA lead in OR and making|pg|| nt|chmitty: Some of the merit goes to Multon, who bid 6@d with the North hand... so that East did not have a practical chance to show he had @h also|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i vote for 5@H exclusion rkc with a close up on zack's face to see reaction|pg|| nt|chmitty: Would 5@h really be exclusion BW, Al ?|pg|| mb|6D|nt|ahollan1: no just my wish :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: if bidding slam - why not 5@H along the way?|pg|| nt|bobholl: missing a top @D for that|pg|| nt|ahollan1: of course both south players in this match jumped to 6@D|pg|| nt|ritong: if he bids grand and lead is @h, that would be the second amazing push in this set|pg|| nt|ahollan1: good point bob|pg|| mb|7D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: along with the one in 6@h missing @d AK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on this auction -- hide your @H THEN decide what to lead|pg|| nt|chmitty: so we have drums again ? Or will Gawrys save (7@h) ?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: or soundtrack from Jaws|pg|| nt|bobholl: V vs NV i doubt it|pg|| nt|chmitty: he is considering it seriously|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: so... drums |pg|| nt|pelu: W KNOW that S is void in @h - so why lead @hA??|pg|| nt|ritong: well the huddle undersays some @hs|pg|| nt|ritong: regrettable imho|pg|| nt|chmitty: lead @h because you know it's ruffed but with your hand what else ? The @s Queen ?|pg|| nt|ritong: on the other hand it is indeed certain that @h A would not live|pg|| nt|pelu: same bidding both tables|pg|| nt|chmitty: last week in France, one player selected the @s Queen (stiff) as a lead against 7NT, explaining it was the most neutral lead with his hand|pg|| nt|chmitty: @s situation was KJ109xxx A8|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|chmitty: In the other room, declarer played a @s to the 8 (after a preempt)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: west just way too young to be this good|pg|| pc|d3|nt|chmitty: well done Klukowski|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|mc|12|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SJ8762HQ876DT9CA2,SAT954H4DQ872CQ97,S3HAJ532DKJ63CT63,SKQHKT9DA54CKJ854|sv|b|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SJ8762HQ876DT9CA2,SAT954H4DQ872CQ97,S3HAJ532DKJ63CT63,SKQHKT9DA54CKJ854|sv|b|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|pelu: that will send Israel out of competion for the 4. spot|pg|| nt|ahollan1: final round scheduled to begin in 15 min [5 min past the hour]|pg|| mb|2H|nt|ritong: yes cruel|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: robson allfrey bid 9 to 6@S!!!|pg|| mb|3H|nt|chmitty: @d lead ?|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: nope and @SQ lead in 7@D in other room so big gain for england|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|chmitty: strange board : at 6@s you lead your singleton Queen of @d and partner ruffs with his singleton Queen of trumps :)|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|c2|nt|pelu: 4 x 7@D -1, 2 x making (Russia)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in the other match over 1N allfrey bid DBL to show both majors -- tough game|pg|| mc|9|pg||