vg|NED-SWE Practice Match BC 't Onstein,6_7,I,1,20,Netherlands,395,Sweden,342| rs|3NN+2,3NN+1,4SE=,4SE=,4HE-1,3NE=,2SW-2,2SW-1,3NN-3,5CN-2,4SS=,4SS=,4SS+1,4SS+1,1NW+1,4SNx-2,4SE+2,4SE+2,2HW-1,2HE-1,4SS=,4SN+1,2SEx=,2SE=,3CW-2,2SS+1,3DN-3,2HW=,5SW=,4SW+1,2NS=,2SW=,3NN-1,3NN+1,6SN=,5SN+1,7CS-1,6CS=,3HS-1,2HS=| pn|Verhees,O Rimstedt,v Prooijen,M Rimstedt,Sylvan,vLankveld,Fredin,VanDenBos|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3S92HKQ2DJ4CAJ9875,SAK765HJ84DT32C64,SJ3HAT5DAQ9CKQT32,SQT84H9763DK8765C|sv|o|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 15+unbal or 17+BAL i thought van prooijen would treat hand as too strong for 1N|pg|| mb|2N!|an|Asking 4 or 5cM|mb|p|mb|3C!|an|Not 5cM|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = Puppet Stayman // 3@C = not 5@H/@S nothing about 4@H/@S|pg|| pc|d5|nt|ahollan1: in NS version SOUTH could have 5-card major when bidding 2N|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so 2N used to ask OR show 5M|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3S92HKQ2DJ4CAJ9875,SAK765HJ84DT32C64,SJ3HAT5DAQ9CKQT32,SQT84H9763DK8765C|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|mc|10|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SAJ4HJT43DJT3C854,S5H982DAK54CK9732,S83HK76DQ8762CAT6,SKQT9762HAQ5D9CQJ|sv|n|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S = semi force|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|ahollan1: 3@S usually 7+suit, invites 4@S but not 3N|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seems @D best lead for defense|pg|| nt|ahollan1: mikael must guess which major suit to attack with this lone dummy entry|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @H seems best even without peeking|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|h5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|nt|vugraphzag: He played so fast I couldn't see which card, and Louk also has his cards closed|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: Louk took the trick and is now thinking|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|d4|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i don't understand the rush to win @SA|pg|| mc|10|nt|vugraphzag: Louk apologizing|pg|| pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SAJ4HJT43DJT3C854,S5H982DAK54CK9732,S83HK76DQ8762CAT6,SKQT9762HAQ5D9CQJ|sv|n|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|Cantorm: Good morning all|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: Good morning Martin|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|an|min|nt|Cantorm: Two sessions today, so 40 boards for Sweden to find 53 IMPs|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: Hi Karen|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: 3@S less than 17 hcp, probably 7 @S|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|Cantorm: I see Sweden pinched a possible swing on 1|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|h5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|d4|pc|s8|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I may be wrong (suit combinations not a strong point for me) but I think the odds favour small to the 10 not a top honour|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SKJ643H96DKT6CJT3,S8H82DAQJ742CKQ72,S952HQJ43D983CA96,SAQT7HAKT75D5C854|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: oh if @ST finessed, then more understandable|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: The @SK-A was a wild guess because I couldn't see the cards halfway the @H trick|pg|| mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ahollan1: 1st seat favorable 2@S almost always delivers 13 cards|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: i need to get a new line|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: "Acknowledges the person bidding is still breathing"|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 18 [6@SN=] bob drijver opened 2@H where mikael rimstedt opened 3@H|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d8|pc|s7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|hK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it took a while but bertheau-wrang also reached 6@S on 18 played by south|pg|| nt|ahollan1: note in other room the pair for netherlands is bob drijver - tim verbeek|pg|| nt|ahollan1: verbeek-molenaar were supposed to play yesterday and today but danny molenaar is sick|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: the regular partnership of bob drijver-bart nab played the first 5 sets|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|c8|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|h5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d2|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SKJ643H96DKT6CJT3,S8H82DAQJ742CKQ72,S952HQJ43D983CA96,SAQT7HAKT75D5C854|sv|e|nt|Cantorm: gains with Jx or Jxx in North, top honour needs Ax|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|Cantorm: top honour gains with Axxx in N|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: Fredin may have done well not to raise @ss, thus discouraging a lead of that suit|pg|| nt|pelu: @C-lead can almost kill dummy|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|Cantorm: nice, attacking dummy's entry for the long @ds|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|pelu: but a lot of endplay possible on S|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c4|pc|c3|nt|Cantorm: also interesting play in the @h suit|pg|| nt|Cantorm: as long as he ducks this|pg|| nt|pelu: yes - my money are on declarer|pg|| nt|Cantorm: he will have 2 dummy entries to play @hs to hand|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h2|nt|Cantorm: well, still has 2 entries|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h6|pg|| nt|Cantorm: now has 4 @hs 1@s 2@cs and 2@ds with the finesse|pg|| nt|pelu: noiw he can set up a @c-trick|pg|| nt|pelu: and @d K for sure in S after N has shown @cA + @hQJ|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but needs to set up both @hs and @cs and brave the @d finesse|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| nt|Cantorm: or forgo the @d finesse and look for the @s endplay on S|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h8|nt|vugraphzbe: Welcome Peter|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Yes hi Peter, this hand with enough interest haven't had time up to now to say hello|pg|| nt|pelu: lets tell trickis: 2@c+4@h+1@s = 7 the @d finess = 9|pg|| nt|pelu: np Martin , helllo to u also|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s3|pc|d2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h7|pc|s4|pc|d4|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|nt|Cantorm: So a hand that started with 4 top tricks, plus an easy one from KQ@c and with communication problems, turns out to have 9|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c7|nt|Cantorm: the importance of that @h10 (and the QJ in N)|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|dJ|pc|s9|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SA9HQT42DA96C8762,SKQ872HKJ63D872CK,SJT53HA87DK543CJ5,S64H95DQJTCAQT943|sv|b|nt|vugraphzag: EW in some debate. As far as my bridge Swedish goes, I think Ola asked about Mikael's @S holding, then suggested he should've bid 3N|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: specs agreed with the 3N guess|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: i wonder if they have agreement about 3@H-P-3@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H limited by failure to use gazzilli so 11-14|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 19 wrang-bertheau stumble into 6@C where our NS tried 7@C missing trump A|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: lead against 6@C was @H so wrang had to rely upon cashing 3 rounds of @S |pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c7|mc|6|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SA9HQT42DA96C8762,SKQ872HKJ63D872CK,SJT53HA87DK543CJ5,S64H95DQJTCAQT943|sv|b|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: 1N is the optimal contract but 2@h is of course normal |pg|| pc|d4|nt|Cantorm: and 1N only so good because the @cJ drops doubleton|pg|| nt|pelu: some would bid 3@c in East|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| nt|pelu: in 3@C @Hq the problem|pg|| nt|Cantorm: some (eg Polish Club system) could bid 2@c as GF unless next bid is 3@c|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but even that would be a slight overbid as it should be invitational|pg|| nt|pelu: yes but after 1Nt 3@c is also NF|pg|| nt|pelu: almost demand Pas|pg|| nt|Cantorm: for sure, but 2@s in minimum 5-2 fit with ruffing value in pard's 2nd suit not bad|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Cantorm: and either pard has 2/3@cs when your suit helps, or 2/3@ds when you at least help to stop them|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|dJ|nt|Cantorm: and most importantly most partners appreciate being allowed to play the contract :)|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| nt|Cantorm: at least all mine do (maybe because they play them better than me) ;)|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|pelu: could S ask for @s by playing @d)?|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|h6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|s6|nt|pelu: @d9|pg|| pc|sA|pc|hJ|pg|| mc|7|nt|pelu: well done by NS|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S73HQ3DQJ43CKT742,SKQJ98H4DT962CAQ5,SA54HAJT62DAKCJ83,ST62HK9875D875C96|sv|n|mb|1C!|an|15+ unbal o 17+ bal|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=15+unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|an|6-8|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: PASS = 5-7 |pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: tarzan precision flip-flops range for PASS/DBL to facilitate relays|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think 1N=17-18|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h2|nt|ahollan1: thought declarer would unblock @D then try @C toward the K|pg|| nt|ahollan1: or @H toward Q|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but in that case @H block|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c9|nt|ahollan1: but both lines required @CA in east|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S73HQ3DQJ43CKT742,SKQJ98H4DT962CAQ5,SA54HAJT62DAKCJ83,ST62HK9875D875C96|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|pelu: even looking nat 52 cards I didnt find the defens with @d to @sA ;);)|pg|| mb|1N!|mb|2S|nt|Cantorm: Don't know whether N didn't open 1NT because he valued it more than 17, or they don't with (decent) 5M|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Now he has a difficult bid|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I suspect he'll choose 2N |pg|| nt|pelu: 3@C are a winner - but how to find?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but won't be too happy about the stopper|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|3S|nt|vugraphzbe: board 1 wins 1 imp for Netherlands|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Al Hollander is watching these tables, any ideas on 3@c Al or Peter?|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|nt|pelu: NS play alomst naturel, so close to a @c-suit and extra|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I confidently predict he won't make this one|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|nt|pelu: ok Martin - no bet;)|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| nt|Cantorm: was that one of Peter Fredin's many off-centre actions?|pg|| nt|pelu: could u find a better bid on N´s hand?|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cA|pg|| mc|9|nt|Cantorm: as I already said, it's nasty. 2N has to be a possibility|pg|| nt|Cantorm: not that it would play nicely either|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: 3@C was @C, he just missed 1 @C|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SAK8543HA9D8652C8,SQ92HK75DJ97CQJ65,S76HQ84DA3CAK9742,SJTHJT632DKQT4CT3|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|an|GF relay|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S =11-15, 5+@S but NOT 5+@H|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|Relay|nt|ahollan1: 1N = RELAY, FG|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H!|an|6241|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: relay structure is why 1@S opener cannot have 5+@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H = exactly 6241|pg|| nt|ahollan1: vP has not said anyting about his hand other than game force|pg|| mb|4D!|an|End signal --> 4!H|mb|p|mb|4H|an|Forced|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 4@D = EndSignal forces 4@H to signoff|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: 2@D was nat 4+@D|pg|| nt|ahollan1: most of the relay structure comes from symmetric relay|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|h9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|s7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|s3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|c2|pc|sJ|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SAK8543HA9D8652C8,SQ92HK75DJ97CQJ65,S76HQ84DA3CAK9742,SJTHJT632DKQT4CT3|sv|e|nt|Cantorm: and I suppose dbl which might win a bidding panel |pg|| mb|p|nt|Cantorm: In fact I think I'll send it to Brian Senior for the New Bridge Magazine bidding panel|pg|| mb|2S|an|10-13|mb|p|nt|pelu: D not penalty but game invite with @c-support|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|nt|Cantorm: I'd have bid 3@h with S hand after 3@c|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| nt|pelu: also if 3@C naturel?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but if 1N forcing then that might show 3cd support and 9-11 HCP|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Yes, Qx is good support if I've denied 3 of them with 1N|pg|| nt|Cantorm: of course, difficult to bid 3@h when E bids 3@s, forgot that|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d7|pg|| nt|pelu: 1NT: 4-6 or 10-11 with support|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|h9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|s7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|s3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|c2|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|pelu: carefull played|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SKQJT9HKDK7CAKQ53,S863HQJ7DQ853CT72,SA75H942D642CJ964,S42HAT8653DAJT9C8|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: 3 [4@HE-1] wrang did not open so verbeek-drijver had more room to find 3N|pg|| mb|1C!|an|17+ bal 15+ unbal|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|0-7|mb|2H!|an|!H or !S + !C|nt|ahollan1: keep in mind there are THREE tables in play but bbo can only display results for 2 of them|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 15+unbal or 17+BAL // 1@D = 0-8 or some stronger with at most 1 K|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = a) @H b) @S & @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i have never played that type of either/or more used to suction where bid shows NEXT suit or other 2 [i.e. not the suit that was bid]|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|3C|an|Positive|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: if @H guaranteed seems south would have easy michaels 3@H|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: Louk had a 3-level bid out of this box at some point but I couldn't see what|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i suppose that same uncertainty affect options of michaels and leaping michaels|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|hK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: confess i did not think about his being a lebensohl situation - but of course it must be|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|mc|11|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SKQJT9HKDK7CAKQ53,S863HQJ7DQ853CT72,SA75H942D642CJ964,S42HAT8653DAJT9C8|sv|b|nt|Cantorm: what do you open Peter?|pg|| nt|pelu: the bidding and play so far: no party last night ;);)|pg|| mb|2C|an| |nt|pelu: I am a 1@C opener - against most pAIRS|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|an| |mb|p|mb|2S|nt|Cantorm: or maybe the hangover hasn't hit yet :)|pg|| nt|pelu: on a 2-suiter I hate to open 2@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C!|an|bad hand?|nt|Cantorm: I agree. And while I don't mind 2N with a singleton honour, not with this shape which looks suit oriented|pg|| nt|pelu: how do u like 1@c?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I'm fine with 1@c, but most of my German partners would never forgive me if it went PPP|pg|| nt|Cantorm: so I's have to open 2@c semi-forcing or 2@d GF with them|pg|| nt|Cantorm: And with my other main German partner I play Polish Club so 1@c is the system bid|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: One of the reasons I like strong club systems is hands like these|pg|| pc|s6|nt|Cantorm: Though it would have made it easier for EW to get into the auction|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s9|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s7|nt|pelu: yes 1@C (strong) - p - 1@D - 2@h|pg|| pc|c8|nt|Cantorm: Also, if I open 1@c then bid @ss twice, most Germans would expect a 6-5 hand|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|h5|pg|| nt|Cantorm: At pairs I'd have bid 2@h with E hand even vul over this auction|pg|| pc|d2|nt|pelu: agree Martin, but not my oartners|pg|| nt|Cantorm: and of course if NV at least 2@h|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SJ874HQ874DAJ65CK,SA9HA9DKT8CQJT432,SQT53HKT65DQ2C986,SK62HJ32D9743CA75|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm not sure if i could have duplicated verhees' pass|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cA|pc|h4|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d5|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cT|nt|ahollan1: sylvan's balancing 2@C to show the majors seems very reasonable|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sure i understand all of the arguments against acting with the south hand -- just not sure i could be that disciplined at the table|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d3|pc|h8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h6|pc|d4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|s5|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|hJ|pc|dA|pc|dK|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SJ874HQ874DAJ65CK,SA9HA9DKT8CQJT432,SQT53HKT65DQ2C986,SK62HJ32D9743CA75|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: Standard French, and its derivative German Forum D, leave IMHO a lot to be desired|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Is that an upgrade to 15-17?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: We see more and more upgrades recently|pg|| mb|2C!|an|Majors|nt|Cantorm: and fewer and fewer to zero downgrades|pg|| mb|3C|nt|Cantorm: bidding in bridge a victim of inflation|pg|| mb|3S|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|pelu: B3 after 2@S opening in S (Verhees) EW was not in tempo to bid 3NT - 4@h with no play|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|d|mb|4S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cA|nt|Cantorm: GIB says 4@h makes on any lead|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| nt|pelu: 300/500 or 800?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: haven't worked out how - might involve ruffing finesses in @s to set up the 7 :)|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| nt|pelu: @C-lead and @h back to @h10 was as the defense from start|pg|| nt|Cantorm: 1 other table led @d7 against 3NT so neither found the killing @s|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|s4|pc|c3|pg|| nt|pelu: here EW are very - very - friendly;)|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|h6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|c4|pc|s5|pc|sK|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SQ32H93DAT954CT54,SKT9HKQ4DK86CKJ73,SJ5HT652DJ732CQ62,SA8764HAJ87DQCA98|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C!|an|GF relay|mb|p|mb|2D!|an|4+!H/bal 11-14 xx!DorOM/good6+!S/5!S(440|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|Relay|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = FG a) BAL b) @C c) fit M |pg|| mb|p|mb|3H!|an|"5413"|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = a) 4+OM b) BAL, 11-14, xx@D/OM c) good 6+M, maybe 3@C d) 5M(440)|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: How am I supposed to fit that all in Al :(|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H = exaclty 5413|pg|| nt|ahollan1: :) bas - i would just enter usually 4+OM|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S!|an|Relay|mb|p|mb|3N!|an|Minimum|nt|ahollan1: 3N = min|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|an|End signal --> 4!H|mb|p|mb|4H|an|Forced|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4@D = endsignal forces 4@H for signoff|pg|| nt|ahollan1: ola has said nothing about his hand|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c7|mc|12|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SQ32H93DAT954CT54,SKT9HKQ4DK86CKJ73,SJ5HT652DJ732CQ62,SA8764HAJ87DQCA98|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|Cantorm: So who was overbidding NS in your view Peter?|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3C!|an|5!S+4!H|nt|pelu: all bidding look normal to me -|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|an|!S fit|mb|p|mb|3N|an|11-14|nt|pelu: where are Al when we need him?;)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Given that 3N makes they might gain on the board|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: 3@C does not promiss @C I heard|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|pelu: so 2@C a GF relay?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: and look, there's a downgrade (cos of singleton Q not known to be in a suit pard holds)|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: see bidding explanation|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|nt|pelu: tx|pg|| nt|Cantorm: good work Karen|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: thx:)|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|nt|pelu: and CC: 2@C = GF relay|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| nt|Cantorm: making 12 now|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c7|mc|12|nt|vugraphzbe: convention cards and information: https://www.bridge.nl/nieuws-van-de-nbb-homepage/3759-nedzwe2018|pg|| nt|pelu: spec: u can get CC´s if i pres on players names and then WBF CC|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: Ah, even better|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SJ82HKDAQ954CJ742,SAT9HQ762DKJTCAT5,S75HAT98D872CKQ86,SKQ643HJ543D63C93|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|2+!C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@C=2+@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: includes 5@D(332)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = 5+@S 4+@H uph: weak or FG|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: so passed hand just non-invite|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h3|pc|d5|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SJ82HKDAQ954CJ742,SAT9HQ762DKJTCAT5,S75HAT98D872CKQ86,SKQ643HJ543D63C93|sv|b|nt|vugraphzbe: Ok we had a short break for drinks|pg|| nt|Cantorm: make mine a double|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: everybody at the table again|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: 5@c down 200 gained 3 IMP - 3NT down 300|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|nt|Cantorm: actually, I guessed so also went to pour a cuppa (=cup of tea for non mother tongue sppeakers)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|an|5!S+4!H, 6-9 hcp|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: For some E hand is a 2@s (2 suited) or 2@d/2@h (MM) opener|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzbe: true (the cup of tea)|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cQ|nt|Cantorm: true that I got myself one or true the meaning of cuppa?|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|Cantorm: actually, both are true|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: Ah, misunderstood, true that Peter Fredin was getting one:)|pg|| nt|pelu: nice specil convention - work foine here|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|nt|Cantorm: 2@h response to 1m as showing 5@s and 4@h up to 8/9 HCP is a good treatment |pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I play it with most|pg|| nt|pelu: new for me|pg|| nt|Cantorm: That way bidding 1@s then 2@h is invitational +|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I'm asked whether it's only by a passed hand, no, it's also unpassed|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|Cantorm: what is 2@h for you Peter?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: weak jump shift?|pg|| nt|pelu: non passede hand = W JS - 4-8 HCP|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h4|pc|d9|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SKJT4HQ873DKJCA97,SQ5HKT42D9732CQ32,SA8763HAJ65D85CJT,S92H9DAQT64CK8654|sv|o|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|2D|mb|d|an|Takeout|mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: 2@C does not guarantee 4M unless INV|pg|| mb|d|an|Takeout|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: DBL = takeout|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and DBL = takeout :)|pg|| pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: slow on getting in explanation of FIRST DBL|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|h5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s6|pc|dT|pc|sT|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hA|mc|10|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SKJT4HQ873DKJCA97,SQ5HKT42D9732CQ32,SA8763HAJ65D85CJT,S92H9DAQT64CK8654|sv|o|nt|pelu: need o play the first @h from Easts hand|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|2D|nt|pelu: no upgrade 1@C = 3+|pg|| nt|Cantorm: have to get there first|pg|| mb|2S|an|4!S|mb|3D|mb|3H!|nt|Cantorm: 2@s 4cd support (I assume they play support dbls)|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: I would D in N = gameinvit in @s|pg|| nt|Cantorm: no reason to upgrade with KJ stiff|pg|| pc|h9|nt|Cantorm: and no overload of intermediate cards|pg|| nt|pelu: nice help or N|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|sK|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Cantorm: after that short suit lead I'd have played @ss the other way|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h5|nt|pelu: would u lead a singleton with Qxx i trump|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|h6|nt|Cantorm: only if other leads looked unattractive|pg|| pc|c6|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SAQ95HQ4DAT43C876,ST6HK87DK987CKJT5,S8HA9632DQJ52CQ94,SKJ7432HJT5D6CA32|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: van lankveld-van den bos play mini nt in this situation so west hand opened 1N|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3rd seat weak 2 generates differen kind of swing|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: do i smell an overtrick?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @D seems to lead to 9 tricks|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but declarer most focused on guaranteeing 8 |pg|| nt|ahollan1: so maybe @S toward the 10|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|s9|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dA|nt|ahollan1: now declarer forced to find @CQ|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|s2|pg|| mc|8|nt|ahollan1: until @DA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: verhees had to give up trick in a minor|pg|| pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SAQ95HQ4DAT43C876,ST6HK87DK987CKJT5,S8HA9632DQJ52CQ94,SKJ7432HJT5D6CA32|sv|n|nt|Cantorm: on the other hand, when they have shown a 9 card fit, I might on the reasoning that they will think I wouldn't|pg|| mb|1N|an|10-13|mb|p|mb|2S|an|to play|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: 1NT = 10-13 in 1. and 2. green against red|pg|| nt|Cantorm: spade suits haven't been friendly for declarers today|pg|| mb|p|pc|c6|nt|Cantorm: no transfers - is that only after mini NT Peter?|pg|| nt|pelu: impossible lead for S|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d6|nt|pelu: yes after weak NT: 2@C NF stayman, 2@D= GF and 2M to play|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| nt|pelu: I have done my homework ;)|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|nt|Cantorm: I knew you would - that's why I asked|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c3|pg|| nt|pelu: ;)|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|h5|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Cantorm: one of us should and I knew it wouldn't be me :)|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c9|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|h6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|s3|pg|| nt|Cantorm: small @h would at least have given him a guess|pg|| nt|Cantorm: as he now has|pg|| nt|pelu: the contract is still on right nguees in @h and no real information fo0r Van den B90oss|pg|| nt|Cantorm: would actually have worked to play 13th @c and ditch another @h|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but that is of course entirely DD|pg|| nt|pelu: East has almost count on S: 4-2-4-3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|h4|nt|pelu: oh |pg|| pc|h7|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SQT972H9876D9CT92,SAHQJ53DKJ82CAJ74,SJ5HAT2DAQT76CKQ3,SK8643HK4D543C865|sv|b|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 14-16|pg|| mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: south has hand type where murphy's law comes into play for me|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if i transfer to @S [which seems right] partner has 2@S 5@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if i use garbage stayman then partner is 2254|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: is that an extension of murphy's law or just bad karma?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N scramble i.e. YOU guess where we belong|pg|| nt|ahollan1: aka the responsibility transfer|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|h8|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|c2|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sT|pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: declarers choices seem to be down 2 or down 3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d7|pc|s6|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|s8|pc|h7|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SQT972H9876D9CT92,SAHQJ53DKJ82CAJ74,SJ5HAT2DAQT76CKQ3,SK8643HK4D543C865|sv|b|nt|pelu: @hQ is only rigt if East has J) in H and would he them plau the J?|pg|| nt|pelu: J9|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|pelu: would u in S transfern to 2@S or bid 2@C NF stayman+|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: 8 1N by W passed out +1 so another 5IMPs for NL|pg|| mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2S|an|weak 5!S+4!H|nt|pelu: for me 2@S here would be 5-4 and INVITE!|pg|| mb|p|nt|Cantorm: as I said on last hand, @s not being nice to declarers|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: but not for them;)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: here he has the @s spots and other things sit well|pg|| pc|d2|nt|Cantorm: @dK, @cA&J|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I would have at least considered leading @sA on that auction|pg|| nt|pelu: as I remember Sweden was in front after the first 20 boards- but then NL took over|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Terence Reese often wrote about the need to get rid of trump ace early especially when you have a hand you don't want to lead from|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: you remember well|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|pelu: ;)|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| nt|Cantorm: some things I remember. Not all of them useful|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: :)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: By wonderful coincidence the radio is currently playing "Ah yes, I remember it well"|pg|| pc|dK|nt|Cantorm: Serendipity |pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: :)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: another hand where it would have been better to lead trumps from the other hand|pg|| nt|Cantorm: even though he has the @s spots to cover East's, playing from S would have revealed the position|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d5|nt|pelu: 10 boards and only 24 IMP swing|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|c4|pg|| nt|Cantorm: The first or second set was, if memory serves, even lower scoring|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: You can check it at: https://www.bridge.nl/nieuws-van-de-nbb-homepage/3759-nedzwe2018|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Or in the BBO archive|pg|| nt|Cantorm: But don't all rush at once ;)|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| nt|Cantorm: first or second yesterday I meant, not overall ie Tuesday|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|h6|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|h4|pc|s9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|h5|pg|| mc|9|nt|pelu: would @h back from W have defeded? ? I am almost sure|pg|| pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4ST74HJDJ964CKQJ53,SA95H865DAT5CAT82,SJ863HAKQ7DQ87C64,SKQ2HT9432DK32C97|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|mb|d|mb|1D!|an|!H|mb|d|mb|1H!|an|3!H|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: ah this 1@C makes more sense :)|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: bas just trying to wake me up|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: At least some of the kibs are awake Al :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 4+@H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@H=3@H but bas had already entered those explanations|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 18 [6@SN=] fredin-sylvan stop in 5@S|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzag: Louk: I don't think we're on the same wavelength|pg|| pc|sK|nt|vugraphzag: "I don't think I would ever have 5@D, since I would start with 2@D"|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: that comment from verhees is VERY important one to discuss with your partner if your opponents use transfer responses|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: he is saying his 1st DBL of the artificial 1@D = exactly 4@D|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|d8|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|c5|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|cJ|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so you need to talk about a) DBL of the artificial bid b) bidding the suit that RHO bid c) cuebidding the suit RHO promised|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|dJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|sJ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pg|| pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4ST74HJDJ964CKQJ53,SA95H865DAT5CAT82,SJ863HAKQ7DQ87C64,SKQ2HT9432DK32C97|sv|o|nt|pelu: or was it only the overtrick?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: sry didn't follow the play closely|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: they are discussing that he schould have played a @H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|1D!|an|!H|nt|vugraphzbe: he= Joris|pg|| nt|Cantorm: that @h suit qualifies as a 1 level overcall for me, but of course with 4 @s as well dbl is correct|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Larry Cohen recommends 4cd overcalls with A a good suit and B length in opener's suit|pg|| nt|Cantorm: P or 1N or 1@s with S?|pg|| nt|pelu: for me 2@C naturel in S|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I think 1N|pg|| mb|d|mb|1H|nt|Cantorm: even if 2@c nat I prefer 1N |pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|nt|Cantorm: everyone seems to have some points, so pard likely short in @cs|pg|| nt|pelu: why?? 1@C = 2+|pg|| nt|Cantorm: so W likely 3+|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: I quite like 1@s, but worried pard will raise|pg|| pc|c6|nt|pelu: why do u like to bid a 3-card suir???|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|pelu: partner may support on 3 card - nd u play on 3-3 fit|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|Cantorm: For sure Peter. But if I thought I could choose the final contract I wouldn't mind 1@s with @h ruffs and @c tricks and something in @ds|pg|| nt|pelu: is that Germ,an standard ;);)|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| nt|pelu: if I could choose then 2@c|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Oh no, I wouldn't try it with a German partner. In fact I wouldn't actually bid it - like I said, I'm for 1N|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cT|nt|Cantorm: But playing with Peter Fredin might be a different matter|pg|| pc|d8|pc|h3|pc|c3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c8|mc|8|nt|Cantorm: The Swedish comeback might have started. 12 2@s was doubled and made for 8 IMPs|pg|| pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1S8HQJ3DAQJ9872CK6,SAQJT93HDT64CA842,S42HAT8642D53CQ95,SK765HK975DKCJT73|sv|n|mb|1D|an|11-15 2+!D|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=11-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|2D!|an|!H|mb|2N!|an|4!S good raise|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = @H, at least negative freebid|pg|| mb|4H|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = raise is very common now and becoming even more popular|pg|| mb|5D|mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: reminds me i used to have a convention card that described General Approach = 2N is NEVER natural|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: Common Dutch partnership agreement is 2N in competition is never natural|pg|| pc|d5|nt|vugraphzag: ... Unless it is|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: exactly :)|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 5 points to verhees for pushing opponents to the 5 level|pg|| nt|ahollan1: has anyone counted number of kingletons this set? seems there have been a bunch but usually @CK|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|s6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|s9|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h4|pc|s7|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d8|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1S8HQJ3DAQJ9872CK6,SAQJT93HDT64CA842,S42HAT8642D53CQ95,SK765HK975DKCJT73|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2N!|mb|3D|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: A nice hand for those who play non-forcing free bids allowing NS to find their @h fit|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: 5 red in fine for NS|pg|| pc|d5|nt|Cantorm: Excecpt they don't want to play them at any high level|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| nt|pelu: 4@S making and 5R often on 1 down|pg|| nt|Cantorm: not much in this - 6@s, 2 @d ruffs and 2@cs|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c5|nt|pelu: even 3 @c-tricks is possible|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|mc|11|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SA2HAKD8743CT6532,SKT9864H9DQ95C987,S753HQJT4DKT2CKQJ,SQJH876532DAJ6CA4|sv|e|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: final board of the set|pg|| nt|ahollan1: other tables not far behind|pg|| mb|1D|an|11-15 2+!D|mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: another nebulous 1@D please|pg|| mb|2S!|an|Bal, stopper inv+|nt|ahollan1: 1@S like negative dbl but 0-3@S|pg|| mb|d|an|!S|nt|ahollan1: did not think about 2@S = BAL, stopper, INV+|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: immediate 2N by verhees would be 5@C 5@D so ola worried that verhees has double stopper in @S|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: final 20 boards of this test match begins in about 1 hour|pg|| pc|h3|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c6|pc|sT|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|h7|pc|d4|mc|8|nt|ahollan1: endplaying dummy is always fun - even if no imps swing|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SA2HAKD8743CT6532,SKT9864H9DQ95C987,S753HQJT4DKT2CKQJ,SQJH876532DAJ6CA4|sv|e|mb|2S|nt|Cantorm: S reasonably trying for @cAxx(x) in partner's hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: 2@S: 4-10 - 5 card possible|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Many (certainly here in Germany9 would not consider that a 2@s opener V v NV |pg|| mb|p|nt|Cantorm: but it makes|pg|| pc|cK|nt|pelu: I play constructiv 2M so a 2@D for me|pg|| nt|Cantorm: even an overtrick if gets @cruff|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Yes if you play 2 ranges of weak 2 it's fine|pg|| pc|s2|nt|pelu: why not open 2@S if u play weak 2?? - for me 100% normal|pg|| pc|sK|nt|Cantorm: but in classic weak 2s many want a more solid suit at the vulnerability|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|h2|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|s6|nt|pelu: more solid - u have 10 9 8|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h6|nt|Cantorm: I'm ok with it, but as I say many (and many books) require say 2 top honours when vul|pg|| pc|c5|pc|s8|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|pelu: if u pass the West hand u sh have ypur maney back ;)|pg|| pc|s9|pc|cQ|pc|h7|nt|Cantorm: 6331 much better than 6322|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: he still has 2@C and2@D, i played wrong|pg|| nt|pelu: yes but u candt have the perfect hand every time|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3S974HA74D54CK9532,ST65HT63DJ762CQ64,SAK3HJ52DKQ3CAJT7,SQJ82HKQ98DAT98C8|sv|o|nt|vugraphzag: Even though we've started later we seem to have caught up to the other table, hence skipping several boards|pg|| mb|1C!|an|17+ bal 15+ unbal|mb|p|mb|1D!|an|0-8|mb|p|mb|1N|an|17-19 bal|mb|p|mb|2N!|an|Asking 4 or 5cM|mb|p|mb|3C!|an|No 5cM|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry 1@C=15+unbal or 17+BAL // 1@D = 0-8 // 1N = 17-18 // 2N = puppet stayman // 3@C = not 5@H/@S, nothing about 4@H/@S|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|s2|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h8|mc|8|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3S974HA74D54CK9532,ST65HT63DJ762CQ64,SAK3HJ52DKQ3CAJT7,SQJ82HKQ98DAT98C8|sv|o|mb|1C|mb|d|nt|pelu: 1@C = 3+|pg|| mb|3C|an| |mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|nt|pelu: after the D W is favorit to @cQ|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: @H3 is attitude|pg|| nt|Cantorm: other room no dbl so 1 down|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|Cantorm: negative?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: obviously yes|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|nt|pelu: the D here for med 100% normal|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| nt|Cantorm: me too|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|nt|Cantorm: strong @c in other room|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cA|nt|pelu: nd then D was not take out oif @c (as here)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: specs should note how declarer carefully unblocked @cs, even with the @hA as an entry|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d9|pc|c9|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SAT6HA9DAT972C862,S87HQ52DKQJ86CJ75,SKQJ943HJ7DCAQT93,S52HKT8643D543CK4|sv|n|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|4S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 2+@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: confess if i opened west hand 3rd seat would be 1@D which should not have same shape restrictions as other seats|pg|| mb|5H|mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: ok, i'm impressed that NS reached slam|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: now vP just has to make it|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the other 2 tables stagger which boards they start with so we will have to wait for any comparison|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @C8 and extra entry to dummy should suffice|pg|| mc|12|nt|ahollan1: nice start |pg|| pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SAT6HA9DAT972C862,S87HQ52DKQJ86CJ75,SKQJ943HJ7DCAQT93,S52HKT8643D543CK4|sv|n|nt|Cantorm: as I say, I'm ok with it, but I like to keep partner's happy, so if they have strong feelings on this (or anything else) |pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: We play 17 later, somebody borrowed the board|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I like to humour them|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|Cantorm: another weak 2, and nv everybody opens this|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|pelu: 6@s look fine - a @h go on @DA and u just have to play the @c-suit for 1 loser|pg|| nt|Cantorm: the 3@d bid has made it harder- without it N could ahve bid 4@c leaping Michaels|pg|| nt|Cantorm: showing @c&@s 55+ GF|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|nt|pelu: can N bid 5@H as "last train"?|pg|| nt|Cantorm: difficult now for N with 2 @hs but I think he'll bid|pg|| nt|pelu: I dint exp that - he has to decide|pg|| nt|Cantorm: was wondering the same thing Peter|pg|| nt|Cantorm: 5@h sounds like cue looking for @c control doesn't it|pg|| nt|Cantorm: even when you play last train|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: Sylvan checked with van Lankveld if 3@D was natural, before bidding 5@D|pg|| mb|5S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: 13 more imps to NL|pg|| pc|d3|nt|pelu: N and S both has values for 5½@s|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|h7|pg|| nt|Cantorm: Auction on other room was 3@h P 3NT 4@s P 5@h P 6@s|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: N not happy about bidding|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|mc|12|nt|pelu: easy for N in OR hare S cue 5@h (not 5@d)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: might have been happier in the unlikely event that both @c honours were offside|pg|| pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SAQJHQJ4DQ65CQ962,S652HT8752D973CA5,SK9HA9DAKJ4CKJ873,ST8743HK63DT82CT4|sv|e|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: now keep up that pace for another 19 boards and we will all be exhausted|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS 1N=14-16 throughout|pg|| nt|ahollan1: NS play most of Tarzan Precision - except they have not adopted wijs-muller's 3 ranges for opening 1N|pg|| mb|2D!|an|!H / 6+m GF / mm weak or GF|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|Not 4/5!H|mb|p|mb|2S!|an|!C+!D GF|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = a) 5+@H, weak/FG b) 6@H, INV c) 4@H 6@C/@D, FG [2@D] d) @C & @D, weak/FG|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = not 4/5@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C!|an|4!C|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = @C & @D, FG|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@C=4-fit|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S!|an|Short !H|nt|ahollan1: they have wrong-sided @C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i think 3@S ostensibly short in other major|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i understand that @S can be used to discard north's @H9 but that is not without risk - uness you peek|pg|| mb|5D!|mb|p|mb|5S|mb|p|mb|7C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|nt|vugraphzag: Ola already showed @CA to Verhees before leading|pg|| mc|12|nt|ahollan1: location of @HK moot on this auction|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: NS disagreeing about the meanings of 4@C and 5@C|pg|| pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SAQJHQJ4DQ65CQ962,S652HT8752D973CA5,SK9HA9DAKJ4CKJ873,ST8743HK63DT82CT4|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|2C!|nt|Cantorm: NL careless in the other room - bidding a grand missing the trump ace|pg|| nt|pelu: 6 rounds of bidding - no bids from opp- and then a grand missing trump Ace???|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|an|no shortness|mb|p|mb|4C|nt|Cantorm: there's hope for us yet|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|4N|an| |nt|Cantorm: if world class players can do that - it always encourages us mere mortals|pg|| mb|p|mb|5C|an| |mb|p|nt|pelu: and its from the ancher-table - so cound 2x|pg|| mb|6C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h8|nt|pelu: even 6@c has an problem on @hy-lead with @ss 6-2|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|nt|Cantorm: excellent lead|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|h9|pc|s7|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|Cantorm: but not good enough|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2S62HJ8543DJ84CKJ9,SKQTHKQDAQ9752C65,SAJ54HA62DT3CAQT8,S9873HT97DK6C7432|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: what is best line to avoid losing trump ace??|pg|| mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: do they agree about 5@D? if so --- what was it???|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: Louk saying that 5@C should be minimum, and Ricco saying 4@C would be NF to him, with a stop missing for 3N|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|1H|nt|vugraphzag: Undiscussed at the table|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@D = a) 5+@D b) 4@D(441)|pg|| mb|2D|mb|d|mb|r|nt|vugraphzag: Louk's bottom line was he wouldn't bid 5@C with 2 keys and @CQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: not 5@D(332) [open 1@C]|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: good-o thanks bas|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ahollan1: must have started 1@D-DBL|pg|| nt|vugraphzag: This makes more sense :(|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: did not apply here, but note that NS do NOT normally play strong 1N overcall - so their DBL can cover that hand type as well as normal takeout|pg|| nt|ahollan1: except after 3rd seat opener, direct 1N overcall = Raptor|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|h6|pc|h9|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| mc|8|nt|ahollan1: both of these pairs will be playing in the European Champions Cup in Eilat Israel Nov 08-10|pg|| pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2S62HJ8543DJ84CKJ9,SKQTHKQDAQ9752C65,SAJ54HA62DT3CAQT8,S9873HT97DK6C7432|sv|b|nt|Cantorm: Swe now leading the set|pg|| nt|Cantorm: and have caught up on time as well|pg|| mb|1D|nt|Cantorm: this table I mean|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|pelu: they are +1 here, but -5 at the 3. table|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|Cantorm: I prefer 2@d to dbl|pg|| mb|p|pc|sK|nt|Cantorm: ?? why not pass 1@hX|pg|| nt|Cantorm: did E bid 1@s Karen?|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: no, just passed|pg|| nt|Cantorm: then I really do not understand 2@h|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: No sorry vLankveld rebid 2@D, not dbl|pg|| nt|pelu: ok now the bidding make sense|pg|| nt|Cantorm: ah ty Karen, corrected now|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: now is correct|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d7|pg|| nt|Cantorm: playing for @d ruff seems naive after 2@d bid|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pg|| nt|Cantorm: why not just duck the @sK |pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|pelu: he is playing 2@H: 1@S + 2@H + 2@H losers is ok|pg|| pc|s3|nt|pelu: but I 100% agree with u Martin - this time ;)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: 16 other room W did not open 2@s and NS got to making 2N|pg|| pc|h8|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|8|nt|Cantorm: ok that's this set done, thanks to our operator Karen, great job|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: Thanks:)|pg|| nt|Cantorm: next set starts I think in 45 minutes|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: 14.10 local time, about 55 minutes from now|pg|| nt|Cantorm: I might get back for later boards, but I have to write up system notes ahead of next weekend's Bundesliga|pg|| nt|pelu: and tx to u Martin - u have worked hard in 6 segments - and a small blame to spects - u have been very passiv ;)|pg|| nt|vugraphzbe: Thx Martin and Peter|pg|| nt|Cantorm: tx Peter|pg|| pg||