vg|B 2018 USBC SF,Segment 3 of 8,I,1,15,NIckell,61,Juster,57| rs|2SN=,1NN=,4SN-1,4SN-1,3NS=,2SWx-2,3NS-1,4HN+1,1NW-2,3HE-1,5CNx-3,3CN-1,3CS=,3NS-1,4SN=,2SN+2,4SN-2,4SS-1,3NW+1,4SW-1,6SN=,3NN+2,3SN+1,6CS=,2SS-2,2CE=,3NW-2,3NE=,3NS=,3NS+1| pn|Rodwell,HWeinstein,Meckstroth,Wildavsky,Z Grossack,Katz,A Grossack,Nickell|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SQJT62HQ72DQ3C863,SA97HJ53DT875CKT9,SK43HAK864DK92CJ7,S85HT9DAJ64CAQ542|sv|o|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: NS 1N 1/2/3nv: 14-16 3v/4: 15-17|pg|| mb|2H!|an|!ss|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: there is voice commentary at this table|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s9|pc|s4|mc|8|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SQJT62HQ72DQ3C863,SA97HJ53DT875CKT9,SK43HAK864DK92CJ7,S85HT9DAJ64CAQ542|sv|o|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h8|pc|d6|pc|s2|pc|c9|pg|| pc|h6|mc|7|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SK63HAQT2DQJ53CT8,S7HJ9754DT42CAQ52,SAQT84HDA97CJ9763,SJ952HK863DK86CK4|sv|n|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "I could have taken more tricks"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 10-15, 2+@D // 1@S = not 4+@H unless FG|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3C|an|5+-5+ I think|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: not sure if 3@C INV or FG|pg|| mb|p|pc|d6|nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell: "well, maybe I should have bid 3NT"|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d7|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d2|nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| nt|sybarra: hi Kit :) welcome |pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in other match justin lall forced to game and 4@S went down 1|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|d9|pc|h6|pg|| nt|ahollan1: lead from hurd was @H6|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h3|nt|chip: At trick one and now E hasn't really wanted to lead anything.|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|chip: now can ruff up and lead a trump or just wait for 2 tricks|pg|| pc|s9|pc|d5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c7|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: i think rodwell is allowed to raise to 2@S with 3 only if 3451|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SK63HAQT2DQJ53CT8,S7HJ9754DT42CAQ52,SAQT84HDA97CJ9763,SJ952HK863DK86CK4|sv|n|nt|ritong: re all|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ritong: this will land in 4@s one way or the other|pg|| nt|ritong: question is will north look after @cs|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|ritong: i guess no if he gets the @s fit information|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c3|nt|ritong: north hand was not that easy to manage imagine opener has a flat hand as he said with 1NT, but with four @cs|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ritong: spot may be cold 6@c if so|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d7|pc|dK|nt|ritong: i m not sure he could make deciding to play @h Q at trick 1|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|d8|nt|ritong: surely would be better, but not clear it s enough|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d6|pc|s3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h4|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s9|pc|h2|pc|d2|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|mc|9|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1S9732HKJ53DKJ86CQ,SAT854HQ2DCT87642,SQJHT984DAQ5CAKJ3,SK6HA76DT97432C95|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: otherwise 1@D-1M-2M = 4-fit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C!|an|STR, ART, F1|mb|p|mb|2N!|an|8-10, 3-suited|nt|kit: Looks more like a 1NT opener with the QJ doubleton|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 17+BAL // 2N = 8+ HCP, 3-suit, short minor 44(41)|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|an|asks|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C RELAY // 3@H = 4441@C|pg|| mb|3H!|an|4-4-4-1 in that order|nt|ahollan1: 8-10 because passed hand|pg|| nt|kit: North just might choose 3NT now.|pg|| nt|kit: Problem is that South declares the notrump, which would mean lead through the AKJ |pg|| nt|chip: 3N a but less attractive since wrong siding it. Of course hearts sort of wrong sided too.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: will meck claim that he knew rod has @CQ|pg|| nt|kit: A winning decision, provided it is backed up with a winning heart guess.|pg|| pc|c8|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "well, pard, I don't know ... good luck"|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kit: You can bet Meck will like what he sees at trick 1.|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ahollan1: west outshow on @D how does that affect @H guess|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie, who's thinking, said "I don't have any of those"|pg|| pc|cT|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|kit: He guessed the hearts right :)|pg|| nt|chip: club 10 was a bad play I think. He should have AT9 of spades for that.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: can we replay with smooth duck from wildavsky?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: I'm afraid I don't know how to do that :)|pg|| pc|sT|nt|ahollan1: sorry typed that before seeing chip's comment|pg|| mc|9|nt|kit: East's play is reasonable -- his partner could have had 9 of spades|pg|| nt|ahollan1: it was weinstein's @CT - not wildavsky's @HA that was problem|pg|| nt|chip: should have the 9.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie: "maybe I should play 7 of clubs - if you have 9 of spades, I need you to go up"|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1S9732HKJ53DKJ86CQ,SAT854HQ2DCT87642,SQJHT984DAQ5CAKJ3,SK6HA76DT97432C95|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|nt|ritong: looks like a hopeless 4@h|pg|| mb|d!|nt|ritong: eight cards fit and about 27 hcp, takes a mixup to stay low, imo|pg|| nt|ritong: 3NT remains a possibility|pg|| mb|2D|mb|d|nt|ritong: or a catch, at that point|pg|| mb|2S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: so be it|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: nice board by meckwell|pg|| nt|ritong: cuts the loss|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ritong: katz did not read it perfectly could go down 1|pg|| nt|ritong: he imagined that soĆ uth had at least one top @s to sit for the double|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S5432H3D952CAKQT2,SQJT8HT65DAQ764C4,SA6HAKJ987DKTC853,SK97HQ42DJ83CJ976|sv|b|nt|kit: And from West's point of view, his partner coould have had K9 doubleton of spades, so spade signal could be important.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rodwell to Howie: "You had 6 clubs?" "yes"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C!|an|ART, STR, F1|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL [or compensatory playing strength]|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N!|an|5+ !cs, 8+, FG|nt|ahollan1: 1N = FG, 5+@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C!|an|5+ !hs|nt|ahollan1: 2@C = 5+@H, ASK|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|an|<3 !hs, not good hand|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = no fit, min|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = nat|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i wonder what hand meck would need for 3@C instead of 2N|pg|| mb|p|nt|kit: Spade lead will make this veery neervous|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|chip: On a spade lead declarer has a choice of which red suit finesse to take. D lead forces it for him.|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i'm told 2N more accurately described as "waiting" because 3-level bids would be unbal|pg|| nt|kit: Looks like declarer will have to flat out guess which red-suit finesse to take|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s4|pg|| pc|c3|nt|kit: With the prospect of going down a lot if he gets it wrong.|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cK|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cA|nt|ahollan1: rusinow leads 2nd from touching honors [notice difference in that definition from "low of touching honors" which would mean lead T from QJT]|pg|| nt|chip: J lead shows the Q (maybe only from 4+).|pg|| nt|kit: Unfortunately ne can't even run the clubs first and get some info from the discards.|pg|| pc|d4|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| nt|MrAce: moment of truth|pg|| nt|ahollan1: EW lead Rusinow from 3+ suits vs both NT & suit|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h8|pc|dJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dA|mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod, when Howie cashed Diamond A: "okay, down 1" Now asks Howie "what were your diamonds originally?" "AQ 5th" "good lead"|pg|| pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S5432H3D952CAKQT2,SQJT8HT65DAQ764C4,SA6HAKJ987DKTC853,SK97HQ42DJ83CJ976|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ritong: tough|pg|| mb|4H|nt|ritong: 3NT feels dizzy|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: so , 4@h|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| nt|jtmckee: 3 losers is all|pg|| nt|ritong: hello mckee|pg|| nt|jtmckee: hello Henri|pg|| nt|ritong: an occasion for a 12 imp board|pg|| nt|ritong: one way to fail is to hook the @h after a @c shift|pg|| nt|ritong: but it does not look correct to do that|pg|| nt|ritong: intuitively|pg|| nt|ritong: because of @h9|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|s2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|s3|pc|hT|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SQT732HK74DJCQT63,SA4HA965DAKQ53C95,SK9HQ3DT642CAKJ74,SJ865HJT82D987C82|sv|n|mb|1D!|an|2+|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: nebulous @D|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: 1@S again not 4+@H unless FG|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|chip: Rodwell may have decided W was 4-4-4-1 for leading spades not D's. So H finesse looks a good bet.|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie asks if DBL would have been 3 spades. Rod says yes|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|c9|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie asks about carding at trick 1. Meck: "that was a standard"|pg|| pc|c3|pc|h5|pc|cJ|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d7|pc|c6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|d8|nt|ahollan1: most of meckwell carding upside-down so reverse: count, attitude, smith AND suit preference|pg|| nt|chip: Precision D opening got EW to 1N instead of H (after 1C-P-1S W would DBL). But it also lost the club fit for NS, they can make 4C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: @C7 then @CK being reverse s/p shows @S card|pg|| nt|sybarra: what does Rod pitch to describe his holding??|pg|| pc|s3|pc|h9|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the one exception i know about is trick 1 when lead shows AK then std signal|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|h8|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|hT|nt|kit: Now he will have to dump king of hearts under ace|pg|| nt|kit: Well, not if it goes this way|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|s9|mc|5|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SQT732HK74DJCQT63,SA4HA965DAKQ53C95,SK9HQ3DT642CAKJ74,SJ865HJT82D987C82|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|3C|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s2|nt|ritong: it seems 4@c would make, so going down, if this occurs, would not be disastrous|pg|| nt|ritong: apparently four losers at most, but entries are rare|pg|| nt|ritong: so giving only 1@h will take inspiration and cooperation by the defense|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hQ|nt|ritong: all right|pg|| pc|hT|nt|ritong: down we go|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c6|pc|c9|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s4|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SKQ643HA73DQJ5C52,SJT8HKT9DKT2CA963,S92HQ5D64CKQJT874,SA75HJ8642DA9873C|sv|e|nt|sybarra: not an easy hand for the cefense |pg|| nt|kit: I don't know if immediate 3@C by North would be to play here|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1M-3@C = nat, INV|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: that was choice of justin lall who then sold out to 3@D|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S=10-15|pg|| mb|1N!|an|semi forcing|nt|kit: So he will have to respond 1NT I guess, which let's East describe his hand with Michaels|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1N = a little pregnant|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|kit: If North could have bid immediate 3@C, life would have been much more difficult for East|pg|| mb|3D|an|!h game try|nt|ahollan1: roland thinks the term semi-force is all wet so i tried to get a reaction|pg|| nt|kit: I'm guessing this is invitatiional in hearts, since could bid 3@C pass or orrect|pg|| mb|4C|nt|kit: East doesn't have an acceptance I don't think|pg|| nt|kit: And West will be okay defending at this level.|pg|| mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: chip and/or kit will correct me if i'm wrong but i always thought that opener passes non-forcing 1N more often than semi-forcing 1N|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|chip: yes|pg|| mb|5C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: I don't understand the 5@C call. Hasn't North described his hand?|pg|| pc|h2|nt|kit: And North even has Qx of hearts for defense|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seems very bizarre that north hand not good enough for 1@S-3@C but then meck bids himself up to 5@C|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: or what kit said|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|kit: So this will be a quick down 3 -- but it is a phandom I believe|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|kit: At other table North was able to bid 3@C to play, and that stole the pot.|pg|| nt|chip: well, the offense to defense ratio pf clubs is maximal.|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d4|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|nt|chip: juster regained the lead on 4 and now growing|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|s9|pc|d3|pg|| mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "sorry, pard ... well, they might make it ... no, I guess not, sorry"|pg|| pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SKQ643HA73DQJ5C52,SJT8HKT9DKT2CA963,S92HQ5D64CKQJT874,SA75HJ8642DA9873C|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|hT|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|d3|mc|8|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SATHAJ53D8CKT9753,SKJ842HQT8DJ64CA4,S965H964DAQ72CQ82,SQ73HK72DKT953CJ6|sv|b|mb|2C!|an|6+ !cs, 10-15 HCP|nt|ahollan1: what was term in rubens' "secrets of winning bridge"? maybe in & out value?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@C = 10-15, 6+@C|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N!|an|->3!c unless 6-5|nt|kit: West will be neervous overcalling at this level|pg|| nt|kit: So N-S will buy it for 3@C|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2N = PUP 3@C, (a) weak @C (b) FG 1-suit, @H/@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|sybarra: does either E or W want to come in red?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thx Jan - i always wondered if opener could overrule|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Thank Jeff, who writes very clearly and has kindly started to use our BBO pen that writes in solid black ink|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg|| nt|sybarra: do they have scaps of paper bid enough to write on??|pg|| pc|c4|nt|sybarra: *big |pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|h4|nt|chip: just making with 3 major suit losers|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: 7 contract is 3N|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in other room|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: played by south on lead of @H8|pg|| nt|chip: which way?|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod: "you're going to get a heart and a spade"|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SATHAJ53D8CKT9753,SKJ842HQT8DJ64CA4,S965H964DAQ72CQ82,SQ73HK72DKT953CJ6|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|2S|nt|ritong: don t ask me how adam knows to raise here|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: wow|pg|| nt|jtmckee: suicide|pg|| nt|ritong: well north seldom will have @c Qxx rather @c Axxx|pg|| nt|ritong: at least|pg|| nt|jtmckee: ok :)|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h4|nt|ritong: this lead is cruel in that sense that, now declarer has a little hope|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c6|pg|| nt|ritong: when @s would have finished him instantly|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|fabsayc: a lot actually, katz will be under pressure on run of clubs|pg|| nt|ritong: will he?|pg|| nt|fabsayc: well turns out he can pitch all his red losers|pg|| nt|ritong: nick did not call for @hs with his @c cards, so..|pg|| nt|ritong: either @s or @d beats |pg|| nt|ritong: assuming east does not hop @d K to play a @s back|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|ritong: good card imho all bases covered|pg|| pc|dA|nt|jtmckee: ssuming east does not hop @D K to play a @S back so play south for 3 or fewer hearts no jack and cash out??|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c8|pc|d3|pc|c9|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s4|pc|h6|pc|d9|pg|| nt|ritong: katzele has prevented the p ossible accident|pg|| pc|c5|pc|s8|pc|h9|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s2|pc|d2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|dQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2S76HKT5D864CK8732,SJ8H93DAQJ975CQJ9,SAK95432HA7D32CA6,SQTHQJ8642DKTCT54|sv|o|mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: and also voice commentary in closed room|pg|| mb|d|nt|sybarra: not everyone would chose dbl as first bid |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Adam hadn't seen the double, and had 2@h out (don't know what it meant), then saw the DBL and said "let's try again"|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2C|mb|2D|nt|sybarra: but Meck has boss suit,,,,,frankly he is in control |pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|nt|chip: meckwell play limited overcalls, so do dbl with a good hand. and with spades fairly safe|pg|| nt|ahollan1: DBL has been the call at the 3 tables that have played 8|pg|| pc|d4|nt|sybarra: yep |pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| nt|sybarra: agree chip |pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s9|nt|ahollan1: very retro|pg|| pc|sT|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|nt|ahollan1: i wonder if north considered too strong for an "intermediate" jump overcall|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pg|| mc|10|nt|sybarra: now the hand flops |pg|| nt|chip: i think so for sure|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Short break|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if chambers-schermer had the hand we would know|pg|| nt|ahollan1: a number of pairs play intermediate jump overcall when vul - but chambers-schermer throughout|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2S76HKT5D864CK8732,SJ8H93DAQJ975CQJ9,SAK95432HA7D32CA6,SQTHQJ8642DKTCT54|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ritong: hmmm...|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2S|nt|ritong: maybe i m result oriented, but with @s Jx i would let it go, assuming pard has not a penalty pass when i have this @s holding|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jtmckee: lol|pg|| pc|dK|nt|ritong: okay no harm done|pg|| nt|jtmckee: walk thaat dog|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s7|mc|10|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SK9876HJ5DJ96CQ97,S3HQT876DQ2CKJ862,SQJT4HA9DAK87CA53,SA52HK432DT543CT4|sv|e|mb|1C!|an|ART, STR, F1|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+unbal or 17+BAL|pg|| mb|1D!|an|0-7|nt|ahollan1: 1@D = 0-7|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: they will show positive with AK but otherwise i don't recall seeing an upgrade|pg|| mb|1N|an|17-18|mb|p|mb|2H!|an|!ss|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 17-18 [2N opener would be 19-20]|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N!|an|max with 4 !ss|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|ahollan1: 2N = 4-card super accept [i have note that 3@C = 3-fit super accept]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cT|nt|ahollan1: killer lead|pg|| nt|kit: A very effective opening lead|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|h7|pg|| nt|kit: Declarer might have survived by covering and ducking, but not now.|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|ahollan1: oooo cover & duck sexy|pg|| pc|h3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|c8|pg|| nt|kit: Did declarer really block the spades so he can't take kdouble dimond finesse? If so, that is really careless|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|d2|pg|| nt|kit: I guess he did.|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|d6|mc|8|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "that was a killer lead; we had it wrong-sided as it turned out" Rod: "how many clubs did you have, 3?" Meck: "yes, good hand for Rusinow"|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SK9876HJ5DJ96CQ97,S3HQT876DQ2CKJ862,SQJT4HA9DAK87CA53,SA52HK432DT543CT4|sv|e|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pg|| nt|ritong: i am not certain, but i believe Q10x(x) onside is a little more than Qx anywhere|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|h7|nt|ritong: not much like 3/4%|pg|| pc|sT|pg|| nt|ritong: so, roughly, equi|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|c2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|nt|ritong: if a specialist with odds would confirm/infirm|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|hT|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|h2|pc|c9|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4ST875H3DA32C87653,SKQ96HA5DK854CA92,S3HQJ9642DJ76CKQT,SAJ42HKT87DQT9CJ4|sv|b|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 8 adam grossack overcalled 1@S compared to other three north's starting DBL|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|an|14-17|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: 1N = 14-17|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Adam asked about 2@h - "just hearts"|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: fwiw EW play Transfer lebensohl|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Both N & S asked if 3NT says anything - both E & W said no, just a desire to play 3NT|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|ahollan1: at one point there were very minor differences between transfer lebensohl and rubensohl|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but i can't recall what|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: curiously the australian who invented rubensohl stopped playing it because it was too complicated [bonus points if you can name the author]|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s2|nt|Walddk2: https://www.larryco.com/bridge-learning-center/detail/541|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s7|pc|s9|nt|ahollan1: bruce neill|pg|| mc|10|nt|ahollan1: finally got a right answer just as i posted|pg|| nt|ahollan1: but from an australian so it only deserves partial credit|pg|| nt|chip: n was squeezed for overtrick |pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Sorry, I must have gotten the diamonds wrong long ago, because he was able to cash them - must have led a diamond to the ten and then later to the nine|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4ST875H3DA32C87653,SKQ96HA5DK854CA92,S3HQJ9642DJ76CKQT,SAJ42HKT87DQT9CJ4|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|2D!|an|1 major|mb|d|mb|2H|nt|ritong: i m asked " how so you do not know odds???"|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|nt|ritong: well, no i m glad with knowing that one half is bigger than one third|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|ritong: a little frustrated, nicky?|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|s8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|d9|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SAKQT75HJ98DKQCA3,S9864HA5D854CQT42,SJ2HKQ2DAT72CJ765,S3HT7643DJ963CK98|sv|o|mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1H!|an|FG, either 5+ !ss, or BAL|nt|ahollan1: strong 1@C // 1@H = FG a) 5+@S b) BAL, 11-13|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|an|5+ !ss|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 5+@S, ASK|pg|| mb|2S!|an|1!h was 10-13 BAL|nt|ahollan1: 2@S = any BAL 11-13.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|an|19+, 1 suited|mb|p|mb|4D|an|2 !ss|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: old note says 3@S = 6+@S, 19+ hcp|pg|| mb|4H|an|Last train|mb|d|mb|r|an|!h control|mb|p|nt|kit: Slam is okay on club lead, very good on other lead.|pg|| nt|chip: 6S is very good and makes|pg|| nt|ahollan1: nice to have Jan driving -- i did not know about bids over 3@S|pg|| nt|kit: Very handy jack of spades in dummy|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: she shows 4@D = 2@S and 4@H = last train|pg|| mb|5D|an|1 keycard|nt|dburn: not to mention the jack of hearts (which really is in dumm - North will be declarer)|pg|| mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|chip: dbl of 4h was a big help to ns|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 1st question from defenders -- who's lead|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|c3|pc|d8|pg|| mc|12|nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie: "nice lead" Meck: "yes it was" Adam: "not nice enough"|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SAKQT75HJ98DKQCA3,S9864HA5D854CQT42,SJ2HKQ2DAT72CJ765,S3HT7643DJ963CK98|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|ritong: this was fearable|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|cA|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|h8|pc|d8|pg|| pc|s2|mc|11|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SHJ43DAQ43CKJ9753,SA92HAK9862DT6CT4,SKT76543HDJ97CAQ2,SQJ8HQT75DK852C86|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h7|nt|ahollan1: C O K E|pg|| nt|ahollan1: did i say that out loud??|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod: "I don't have any spades" Meck: "okay"|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|c3|pc|s2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: "m" in many was superfluous |pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|hJ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|h9|pc|s6|pc|hQ|pc|d3|pg|| nt|chip: ns make 5c and can make 4s|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|d4|pc|sA|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SHJ43DAQ43CKJ9753,SA92HAK9862DT6CT4,SKT76543HDJ97CAQ2,SQJ8HQT75DK852C86|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|3H!|mb|4C|nt|ritong: 5@c would make it seems|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: top @h lead just ruff ruff ruff|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|ritong: trump lead one less ruff but still 11|pg|| mb|6C|mb|p|nt|ritong: now ralph better lead a trump...|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|nt|ritong: 1200 is 15 imp|pg|| pc|c2|pc|h5|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|c3|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|cQ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|c5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|cA|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|c7|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|s6|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|s7|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg|| mc|12|nt|ritong: cool bidding cool play this one could make one or two columns|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SK862HAQTDJ54CJT3,SAT94HK98743DT3C4,SJ53H52DKQ862CKQ8,SQ7HJ6DA97CA97652|sv|b|nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck asks who had the @d Q and Adam says "I had it"|pg|| nt|ahollan1: spurred by chip's comment about the DBL on 11 - friend reminds me of article in recent Bridge World "Dumb Doubles" i think by David Weiss|pg|| mb|1D!|an|2+|nt|ahollan1: 1@D=11-15, 2+@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@S not 4+@H unless FG|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|kit: Fine time to come in now that the opponents know where they are at.|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|dburn: well, there's nothing really wrong with bidding what you think you can make|pg|| nt|kit: true -- but do it early|pg|| nt|ahollan1: hurd did overcall 2@C wooldridge playing 2@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: in that semifinal lall +16 over fireman|pg|| nt|kit: Better to play for 8 tricks with majority of trumps than to play for 8 tricks with no trumps South decides.|pg|| pc|h8|nt|ahollan1: thru 12 31-7 set for lall|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Meck: "I'm probably crazy partner, good luck"|pg|| nt|kit: Trying to hit his patner's shortness. He succeeded.|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: EW system notes include a treatment that says a) we don't discuss hands at the table b) no apologies|pg|| nt|dburn: may not work so badly - declarer had two heart tricks anyway, though the tempo may be important|pg|| nt|ahollan1: in one partnership we had "MFD" = My Fault Dear and that ended ALL discussion |pg|| nt|dburn: looks to be down one from here - maybe a minor lead would do better|pg|| pc|d5|nt|dburn: still, if declarer tries to make he can go down several|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| nt|dburn: but the fact that West passed over 1@s and then bid 2@h perhaps indicates the trump break|pg|| pc|cT|pc|dT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|dburn: though he might do the same with a ropy heart suit and not many points anyway|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|s4|pc|cK|pg|| pc|hK|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|hT|pg|| nt|dburn: board 12 appears to have produced a swing|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|s9|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h9|pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|s3|mc|6|nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod: "down 2, sorry ... well, they would have made 2@h certainly"|pg|| pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SK862HAQTDJ54CJT3,SAT94HK98743DT3C4,SJ53H52DKQ862CKQ8,SQ7HJ6DA97CA97652|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|h3|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|dT|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|h4|pc|cK|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s6|mc|8|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SQT85HA96D952C854,SH432DQ863CKQJ932,SK9742HJ75D74CAT7,SAJ63HKQT8DAKJTC6|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|dburn: is 2@d forcing?|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|dburn: no alert, so I guess not - eight points and diamond support|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: oh, and a club stop|pg|| mb|p|pc|s4|pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: 2@D was F1|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie: "play the 6" Adam played the 6 of clubs. Howie: "the other 6"|pg|| pc|sT|nt|kit: Hands with voids usually don't belongin notrump. This is no exception.|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Howie: "your leads are 4th best?" Rod "yeah"|pg|| pc|s5|nt|chip: particularly when played by the void|pg|| pc|d3|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h5|mc|7|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SQT85HA96D952C854,SH432DQ863CKQJ932,SK9742HJ75D74CAT7,SAJ63HKQT8DAKJTC6|sv|o|nt|ritong: strong 3 suiter often shaky|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|ritong: this one no exception 3NT down at first sight|pg|| mb|3C!|nt|ritong: so better find 5@d 6 atad high|pg|| mb|p|nt|ritong: i love fitjumps|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ritong: but nick will likely conclude to 3NT|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|h2|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|cK|nt|ritong: i m told 3@c likely only @cs it s ok i still love fitjumps:)|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|nt|ritong: drumroll|pg|| pc|s8|nt|ritong: uh oh|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|ritong: zach will be fuming|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SQJ4HKJ7DAQ843CQ6,SAT7HQT543DJT5C85,S96HA98DK976CA732,SK8532H62D2CKJT94|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: oh last board of the set restart at 10 past the hour|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: This is the last board of this segment. We will resume shortly after the last table finishes (scheduled restart is at 6:10 Houston time - about 25 minutes|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2N|an|asks for 5 card Major|mb|p|mb|3C|an|none|nt|ahollan1: 14-16|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2N = modified Puppet Stayman / 3@C = not 5@H/@S|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@C says nothing about 4@H/@S|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d5|pg|| nt|Vugraphzfb: Rod: "you play standard Smith?" Howie: "yes"|pg|| pc|d6|pc|cJ|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: reminder from roland -- safety play in @D was low to King because you can pickup JTxx in east, but not in west|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i.e. the instinctive top honor from hand is wrong in this case|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|h3|pc|d7|nt|ahollan1: nickell table still on 14|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|d3|pc|hQ|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: lall 34-7 set against fireman leads that match by 19|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| pc|h9|pc|s8|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SQJ4HKJ7DAQ843CQ6,SAT7HQT543DJT5C85,S96HA98DK976CA732,SK8532H62D2CKJT94|sv|n|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h6|nt|ritong: @d to the K in case J10xx onside|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d6|nt|ritong: all right lively set merci a tous|pg|| pc|s2|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|d7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h3|pc|d9|pc|c4|pg|| mc|10|pg||