[Posleda]

Not new what I am going to say, was discussed in some threads here earlier.

Reminder: We need the message "Substitution players needed at tournament..." to be send to people with lobby chat off too. Its harder and harder to find a sub. There are many players who like to be sub but dont like to be polluted (Walddk's term) with lobby chat. At least one - me.

From TD's point of view the "broadcast will start..." message is not more important than this.

Thanks for your effort, Fred, Uday and others

Dusan

[shoeless]

I think this is a very valid point - but I don't know if sending requests for subs messages that over-ride blocks of lobby chat is the way to go. I do not know much about programming but I wonder if we had a little box on the tool bar that lit up when subs were being requested and if we click on that box it could immediately register us as a sub for those that needed one. I also liked someone elses idea of a universal sub list where if one is interested in subbing - your name is so indicated and you are invited to sub when the call goes out.

[Posleda]

shoeless, on Sep 11 2005, 09:25 PM, said:

I think this is a very valid point - but I don't know if sending requests for subs messages that over-ride blocks of lobby chat is the way to go.

The "overriding" method is the only one used now. People, I suggest to send the messages to, have no blocks of chat bec the lobby is off.

[Walddk]

Not sure what you mean Dusan, but as it is now, members who have lobby chat off will only receive public broadcasts (they can't avoid them), unless they are members of private clubs too. If so, they will also get the messages from that/those club(s).

Roland

[Posleda]

Walddk, on Sep 11 2005, 10:05 PM, said:

Not sure what you mean Dusan, but as it is now, members who have lobby chat off will only receive public broadcasts (they can't avoid them), unless they are members of private clubs too. If so, they will also get the messages from that/those club(s).

Roland

Nothing against broadcasts and your messages. But as you say "they can't avoid them". They can avoid subs messages, because they are in the heap of lobby chat. More: they can do it unknowingly. There is no possibility to stop lobby and receive subs messages. Suggestions how to manage this problem may be found in some previous threads.

I think its important for me and other TDs too. I was several times "close to the edge" to cancel the tournament in the middle. Several players missing and no sub available for long time (long time=5 mins, in this case). From this point of view the importance is high.

Dusan

[jillybean]

I wish we had an option to turn the ‘noise’ off and leave lobby chat free for tournament/sub announcements, then right click on sub request message to register as sub…..

jb

[epeeist]

Posleda, on Sep 11 2005, 07:12 AM, said:

Not new what I am going to say, was discussed in some threads here earlier.

Reminder: We need the message "Substitution players needed at tournament..." to be send to people with lobby chat off too. Its harder and harder to find a sub. There are many players who like to be sub but dont like to be polluted (Walddk's term) with lobby chat. At least one - me.

From TD's point of view the "broadcast will start..." message is not more important than this.

Thanks for your effort, Fred, Uday and others

Dusan

Your post seems to assume that people with lobby chat off would WANT to receive sub needed announcements...

I don't have lobby chat off, but I rarely sub (or volunteer to sub) anymore EXCEPT when I recognize the TD or it's a BIL or ACBL tournament. If I had lobby chat off but still received sub requests, I'd still ignore 95% of them. Why?

(1) Biggest reason: The approximate remaining boards/estimated time is almost NEVER broadcast by the TD. And -- in fairness, possibly due to being overwhelmed by messages -- TDs almost never reply to my questions about remaining boards or estimated time. If I had estimates about remaining boards or time, I'd volunteer to sub at least three times as often.

(2) Usually the only time I'm "free" to sub is when I've logged on or just finished another tournament and there is no upcoming tournament I want to enter. If I register as a sub and don't get "chosen" within 3 minutes -- maybe because player with a red partner is waiting for an expert, or hoping their p returns -- I'll usually remove myself from the list and look for a normal game. I've experienced waiting around for several minutes reading more sub requests, with my skill level and bidding style matching the tournament average, without being chosen. I don't mind subbing, but if I'm not wanted, I won't bother waiting.

(3) Except for e.g. BIL beginner-only tournaments or something, if the tournament conditions are such that I would not have been permitted to register (private club/custom list/skill level), I won't sub. Or if I strongly object to the tournament rules or conditions. Or if my prior experience with that TD has been negative.

Of course, when a TD I "know" calls for subs, I'll go out of my way to help out by subbing (I'll wait longer, etc.). But when I see such a TD is running a tournament, I'll usually check the tournament myself to see if there are any reds and join the sub list if I see any. I don't need announcements.

[jillybean]

epeeist, on Sep 11 2005, 11:57 AM, said:

(1) Biggest reason: The approximate remaining boards/estimated time is almost NEVER broadcast by the TD.

The message is automatically sent by BBO if there are no subs when the TD requests one, there is no option to include # boards remaining.

jb

[1eyedjack]

I would not feel comfortable about forcing someone in lobby to receive sub requests when they have disabled lobby chat. But I can see that some players in lobby might be receptive to such requests who otherwise do not want to be bothered by other lobby chat. Perhaps the answer is to allow users more options in what type of chat they permit/inhibit when in lobby, and a single check box is not enough.

[uday]

Yes; we need more categories of public chat. We'll take a look after the full-disclosure (Fred's new system definition editor) integration into BBO. PLayers need to be able to filter in/out based on categories (channels, if you will) and keywords, and be able to receive messages of choice wherever they are.


I'm not going to alter the current priorities of sub requests. Only the BROADCAST messages go to all users. As of this moment, they are only used for system announcements (maintenance coming, etc), vugraph announcements ( Match has started) etc.


Are we sending out too many Broadcasts? Maybe. I generally discourage the use of Broadcast chat, but everyone thinks his or her chat is worth being sent to all users.

[Gerardo]

Yes, "sub request" should be a category there, also "Tourney announcement", and "player request" (for MBC, WP, etc)

[candybar]

uday, on Sep 11 2005, 02:53 PM, said:

Are we sending out too many Broadcasts?  Maybe.  I generally discourage the use of Broadcast chat, but everyone thinks his or her chat is worth being sent to all users.

Personally, I think the Broadcast should be limited to emergency announcements, such as the situation after a crash, or when BBO is deliberately being taken offline for an hour, or a significant problem such as the GIBs being used improperly.

The "vugraph starting" announcements are not particularly important, when anyone in the lobby can see that a vugraph session is active on the Explore Bridge button.

Today there were multiple Broadcast announcements (in different languages) announcing that Forquet and Garozzo were playing at a Main Club table. The announcer was an Italian, so maybe he thought it was of global importance, but I didn't.

[Rain]

Instead of having multiple announcements for subs, better to just have "sub needed" message appear once per sub needed automatically in the sub channel. And let interested users click to join or something.

Tournaments may require slightly more flamboyant ads. Have the tourney button flash whenever a tournament (or $ tourney) is starting soon, or something like that?

I don't like lobby chat cluttering up my screen. Maybe if someone is disconnected in a pairs tourney, we shouldn't really bother with subs on the assumption that both of them have the responsibility to ensure tourney completion, and anyway, if one is gone the other won't want to continue?

[epeeist]

jillybean2, on Sep 11 2005, 02:07 PM, said:

epeeist, on Sep 11 2005, 11:57 AM, said:

(1) Biggest reason: The approximate remaining boards/estimated time is almost NEVER broadcast by the TD.

The message is automatically sent by BBO if there are no subs when the TD requests one, there is no option to include # boards remaining.

jb

Yes, but can't the TD independently send a message to lobby chat (I know that as a BIL member I get club messages requesting subs all the time)? Something like "Please sub in tournament #XXX, only 4 boards left" or whatever?

[jillybean]

True

[shoeless]

uday, on Sep 11 2005, 02:53 PM, said:

Are we sending out too many Broadcasts?

I don't think this is the case. With lobby chat off I seldom receive briadcast announcements and when I do they tend to be pertinent.

By the way, I appreciate getting broadcasts of the commencement of a vugrah session.

[shoeless]

Gerardo, on Sep 11 2005, 03:16 PM, said:

Yes, "sub request" should be a category there, also "Tourney announcement", and "player request" (for MBC, WP, etc)

If we could filter what chat we wanted to get that would be great - I am often prepared to sub when I am kibbing - but I turn off lobby chat so dont get the messages.

[dosxtres]

Myself turn off the lobby sometimes, especially kibbing friends about the noise, but i would like to get annonaunces like subs request.

The boards remaining would be nice, maybe i can sub for one or two boards, but not for 8.

And something i think would be usefull, at least for me, is a registration like sub by clicking the announce from the TD.

Sometimes i'm playing and i dont mind to sub. I see subs needed, i finish the hand, go to the tourney and register for sub, and then, no sub needed for a long time. What do i do now? Go to a table for playing? i'm sure i will be calling in the same time i start a game and if i wait, i'm sure i will not be needed.

So, i could register like a sub and continue doing my oen things untill i'm needed; and if such tourney finish, a message would be great to say me that i'm free again.

greetings.

[KiwiBridge]

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Today there were multiple Broadcast announcements (in different languages) announcing that Forquet and Garozzo were playing at a Main Club table. The announcer was an Italian, so maybe he thought it was of global importance, but I didn't.

I wish I had been there, of course it's of global importance, but only if you are a bridge player.

[inquiry]

candybar, on Sep 11 2005, 05:34 PM, said:

uday, on Sep 11 2005, 02:53 PM, said:

Are we sending out too many Broadcasts?  Maybe.  I generally discourage the use of Broadcast chat, but everyone thinks his or her chat is worth being sent to all users.

Personally, I think the Broadcast should be limited to emergency announcements, such as the situation after a crash, or when BBO is deliberately being taken offline for an hour, or a significant problem such as the GIBs being used improperly.

The "vugraph starting" announcements are not particularly important, when anyone in the lobby can see that a vugraph session is active on the Explore Bridge button.

Today there were multiple Broadcast announcements (in different languages) announcing that Forquet and Garozzo were playing at a Main Club table. The announcer was an Italian, so maybe he thought it was of global importance, but I didn't.

Are there too many Broadcast annoucnement?

Yes, but I have a different view than you (and I have power to make them, I believe I ahve made one dealing with refunds associated with major crash with five pay tourney going on.... becuase I was swamped with "I want my dollar back messages)....

I made one for a pay tourney when that was routine (and only one), those ahve for the most part been stopped.

I disagree with the view that annoucnement for vugraph is wrong. People playiong (wasting time) will not know when they start. But once the annoucnement is made, any new people joining will see it from the lobby. So once is enough.

For the Forquet and Garozzo match. A special event like that deserves a broadcast in my opinion.

I would like "broadcast" for all tourneys to stop, after all we can list tournyes from any table at anytime. I don't happen to believe gib being used inappropriately is worthy of a broadcast (I am not even sure what that is... three gibs versus one human in imps is fine with me.. if he human is donig silly things, we will catch and punish.. myhand keeps such records).