[cherdano]

Hannie, on Sep 16 2005, 06:23 PM, said:

I agree that there should be no bump on this hand, it is too unlikely that partner holds clubs. Of course with modified MisIry opener would bid 3D and there would be no such issue, as usual.

I think that giving up on 6-card preempts is too much to ask for Arend. I will start a rebellion if I can't preempt with xxx x xxx KQJ10xx.

Oh, that's a 7-card suit, isn't it?

[han]

ah, you are right, miscounted.

[Gerben42]

There are 2 Misiry hands in the European Junior Team Championship. Here they are:

Board 12.9

Scoring: IMP

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In the Vugraph match one player opened 4♥, the other table reached the same contract after opening 1♥ and some interference.

All tables:
2♠x; -670 1x
5♣-1; -50 1x
4♥-1; -50 2x
4♥=; 420 14x
4♥+1; 450 5x
4♠x-2 ; 500 1x
4♥x=; 590 2x

Board 16.10

Scoring: IMP

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There was a swing here. One pair bid and made 6♥, the other table stopped in 4.

All tables:
5♣+1; 420 1x
3N+1; 430 3x
4N=; 430 1x
4♥+1; 450 5x
5♥=; 450 3x
3N+2; 460 1x
4♥+2; 480 3x
5♥+1; 480 3x
4N+2; 490 1x
6♥=; 980 3x
6N=; 990 1x
6♥+1; 1010 1x

[inquiry]

Gerben42, on Sep 16 2005, 04:40 PM, said:

There are 2 Misiry hands in the European Junior Team Championship. Here they are:

Board 12.9
<!-- FULLHAND begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> E/W </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> J9853 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 32 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> K92 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> AJ4 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> AKT762 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 7 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> JT5 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> Q72 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> Q </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> JT94 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> AQ8763 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> 83 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> 4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AKQ865 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> 4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KT965 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- FULLHAND end -->

In the Vugraph match one player opened 4♥, the other table reached the same contract after opening 1♥ and some interference.


All tables:
2♠x; -670  1x
5♣-1; -50  1x
4♥-1; -50  2x
4♥=; 420  14x
4♥+1; 450 5x
4♠x-2 ; 500  1x
4♥x=; 590 2x

Board 16.10
<!-- FULLHAND begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> East </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> T73 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> KJ </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> J9876 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> 653 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> QJ86 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> T64 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> KQ4 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KJ4 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> K5 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AQ753 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> A </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> AT987 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> A942 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 982 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> T532 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> Q2 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- FULLHAND end -->

There was a swing here. One pair bid and made 6♥, the other table stopped in 4.

All tables:
5♣+1; 420 1x
3N+1; 430 3x
4N=; 430 1x
4♥+1; 450 5x
5♥=; 450 3x
3N+2; 460 1x
4♥+2; 480 3x
5♥+1; 480 3x
4N+2; 490 1x
6♥=; 980 3x
6N=; 990 1x
6♥+1; 1010 1x

These hands are not glowing successes for MisIry, but on the other hand, don't reflect badly on it either.... lets check them out.

On the first one, it is not even clear IF this is a misiry opening with so few HCP. I am still not certain the best strategy with such weak hands in terms of controls and points but so strong in term of playing tricks (if a fit is found). However, after opening 3♣, would WEST overcall 3♠? This is important consideration, as the bidding will be different depending on if he does or not (would you bid 3♠ vul opposite a passed partner?) I will give the auction without the initial 3♠ bid, since one would consider the bid would come after discovering if opener is weak or strong.

P- - 3♣
3D - 3H
3S - 3NT
4C - 4H
Pass

3H = two suiter, !C and !H, 4 loser
3S = no control, three possible cover (Hxx, DK, CA) so can envision slam
3N = only DA is useful
4C = whoops, I ahve 1.5 covers
4H = really good hearts...and I don't want to sit in 4♣

Second hand, I ahve to admit MisIry has no way to duplicate the 6♥ contract. Perhpas in the long run that is good thing (considering it needs the ♣hook, and to avoid a ♥ loser with AQxxx opposite Txx. The choice would be between 3NT and 4♥.. the auction...

3♣ - 3♦
3♥ - ?

Over 3♥ (four losers) it is possible west has three covers... K of clubs and KQ of diamonds (partner has to be void in ♠ with three diamonds. So I can imagine the slam try givenabove... 3♠ denial cue-bid, 4♣ no ♠ stopper, or your ♦ control should you have one is wasted... 4♥ darn no slam (whoops) what is the odds of this slam? need KJ doubleton onside in ♥ and ♣Q on sides....

For the record.. board one, 4♥ matched 4 of the 7 tables... and if they bid 4♠ we will be happy to double them.. so lets call this the right bid.

Board two.. well, 6♥ is a horrible contract that has only one redeeming feature.. .it makes. But I would not be proud of bidding six here... however, 6NT is not nearly as bad. There is much better chance to make 6NT.

[cherdano]

The MisIry hand from the other threads:

Scoring: IMP

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With my little knowledge of MisIry, this hand looks awkward for responder to me. How should this be handled?

Arend

[inquiry]

cherdano, on Sep 30 2005, 04:23 AM, said:

The MisIry hand from the other threads:

Scoring: IMP

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With my little knowledge of MisIry, this hand looks awkward for responder to me. How should this be handled?

Arend

4♠ is easy, 6♠ requires a optomist outlook during the auction.

For 4♠,

2NT - 3♣
3♠ - 4♠
Pass

2NT = Strong with ♥ and pointed suit, or weak with clubs
3♣ = pass correct
3♠ = three losers with both majors, one loser in ♣
4♠ = three loser and fit, game at least.

For 6♠, north has to realize that if partner is missing both major queens in his "3 loser hand), slam is almost assured (almost identical hand.. .make it AKxxx AKxxx A Ax). That is, north has two potential covers, the fifth spade which makes up for the theoretical missing ♠Q and a singleton ♥ with lots of spades which makes up for the theoretical missing ♥Queen. If he thinks this way, he might well make a SLAM try with his essentially 0 hcp hand (the jacks can't really be of use to partner). The auction then would be one of the following. Note if there is a double in here somewhere it can actually help, so no interference given here.

2NT - 3♣
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 4♠
5♠ - 6♠

4♣ = misiry type slam try, denies ♣ cover

4♦ = lack of club not fatal (despite it being one of my losers), warning only ♦A useful.

4♠ = with one loser in ♣ and now one ♦ (after 4♦, time to stop this foollishness and signoff in game, partner CAN NOT be missing the two major queens if he is has one in both minors.

5♠ = come on, real world, after 4♣ slam try, you would probably bid 6♠ here, not 5♠... with first round control of all suits, great side suit ( hearts) and a known ♠ fit. I wouild. But we will go slow to show "judgement".

6♠ = I have denied control in ♣, no ♦ control of use and partner over-rides my veto of slam going after 4♦. He has to have control rich super two suiter, he is most likely void in ♦ with Ax of clubs (to ask for ♦ ace while missing known ♣ stopper.

[cherdano]

Well, the key to 6♠ is of course the fact that in addition to the "distributional heart queen", responder can most of the time discard clubs fast enough to covers declarers second round loser there. I was wondering whether MisIry could find that out. (I am not sure whether you actually want to find out about that, as it would make a club lead certain, in which case it seems almost a 50% 5 or 7 hand (well there are some minor additional chances for 6).

Arend

[inquiry]

cherdano, on Sep 30 2005, 10:09 AM, said:

Well, the key to 6♠ is of course the fact that in addition to the "distributional heart queen", responder can most of the time discard clubs fast enough to covers declarers second round loser there. I was wondering whether MisIry could find that out. (I am not sure whether you actually want to find out about that, as it would make a club lead certain, in which case it seems almost a 50% 5 or 7 hand (well there are some minor additional chances for 6).

Arend

Well, this auction... show ♣ loser (3♠), partner denies a ♣ stopper (4♣), opener warns only ♦A is working (4[dii]), you signoff (4♠), opener presses on... (5/6♠), clearly shows first round club control. Think about it... if you DON"T have ♣ stopper, and partenr says only the ♦A works for me, and you sign off and partner bids again, you CAN NOT BE off two ACES in the minors. So, partner has to have Ax of ♣.

Also, for whatever it is worth, the ♦Ace information (only ♦A working) also means, you are not off two quick clubs. For instance if partner was....

AKQxx AKQxx x xx he would sign off after 4♣. Also, over 4♠, opener could try to be cuter than leaping to 6♠ (my choice). He can bid 4NT (missing ♥ Queen). This way opens the door to the slam as well... OVer 4NT (missing heart queen), the hand becomes an open book of sorts. One loser is ♥Queen (which with five trumps is not a loser). One is in ♣ and IT IS NOT a fast loser. So the other is ♦x or a major. Draw up his hands.... things like....

AKQxx AKxxx x Ax (you want to be in slam, probably)

AQxxx AKxxxx void Ax (you want to be in slam, probalby)

AQxxx AKxxx void Ax (you want to be in slam, probably)

Once you focus on a slow club loser, and the missing ♥Queen, it is difficult to stay out of slam. I guess the death hand for slams are.....

AKQxxx Kxxxx void Ax, and
KQJxx KJTxxx void Ax

but with these partner will quickly "accept" your signoff in 4♠ rather than bidding again.