[lifemonster]

in tonight's mad scientists vs evil naturalists match.

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AKQ
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South the opener. 6C has excellent chance.

[Codo]

Hi,

I agree, that this is though and surely too tough for me.
Let the games begin with:

1 Club 1 Spade
2 Club 2 Diamond (nmf)
2 Heart 2 Spade
3 Spade
So for responder knows 5+ clubs
4 Hearts, 2 good or 3 bad spades
0-2 diamonds and no extra
strength from opener.

So I guesss, that I would bid 4 Heart and play there.
No real success.

Kind Regards

Roland

[Rado]

Hi all,

what about following:
1C-1S
2C-2D(art nmf)
2H-2S
4C = good 6 cards in clubs + Tx in SP + max hand(14-15 points) ?

might work well for bidding the slam

Regards, Rado

[lifemonster]

Hi Rado,
it looks fine but after 4C, guess North only can cuebid 4H and South 4S to show honor doublton. North is missing a diamond control, thus cannot afford to bypass 5C, and South certainly will be facing pressure too, looking at the 4 little hearts in hand.

Pity we didn't see how the mad scientists do the relaying job on this hand. They stopped in 4S at the other table.

Regards, LM

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Hi all,

what about following:
1C-1S
2C-2D(art nmf)
2H-2S
4C = good 6 cards in clubs + Tx in SP + max hand(14-15 points) ?

might work well for bidding the slam

Regards, Rado

[inquiry]

Actually, Fred and my auction might have worked if I had understood better. Our auctions was...

1C-1S
2C-2H
4H-5C
Pass

I took 2H as not forcing, showing hearts, thinking that this would be a 2D bid as well (like the earlier posters). But when Fred pulled my 4H to 5C I took a minute to reconsider. If I could pass 2H's what was 5C's?

Fred seemed to have made a great temporizing bid. Thinking I would take "false" preference back to 2S on a doubleton spade. He probably thought I couldn't bid NT for LACK OF A HEART stopper. Now he bid 5C's. Surely this has to mean his 2H was a strategic bid. Perhaps I should have worked it out.

Ben

[DrTodd13]

Too bad everybody assumes SAYC even in a thread about a MOSCITO match.
How about this...modified Tresboof with symmetric relays.

P (14+) - 1C (11+ GF)
1D(relay) - 1S (bal)
1N(relay) - 2D (4+ spades)
2H(relay) - 3C (5332)
3D(relay) - 3N (5 controls)
4C(relay) - 4H (SA/K, HAK or !HAK)
4S(relay) - 4N (DAK or !DAK)
6C

[lifemonster]

If you do not play Reversal Flannery(thanks to Fred who gave me detalied explanation on this topic), then 1m-1S-2m is very contraversal. This includes

1C-1S-2C-?
1D-1S-2D-?
1D-1S-2C-?

In these cases, without agreement, is 2H forcing? One can always argue that the responder, holding weak 5-4 in majors, wants to find a spot to get out. But then again, most people follow the simple rule of "new suit forcing", or "when in doubt, bid".

Moreover, there are people treat 1C-1S-2C-2D as new minor forcing, hence 1C-1S-2C-2H is non-forcing and simply showing weak 5-4 in majors.

[inquiry]

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Too bad everybody assumes SAYC even in a thread about a MOSCITO match.
How about this...modified Tresboof with symmetric relays.

P (14+) - 1C (11+ GF)
1D(relay) - 1S (bal)
1N(relay) - 2D (4+ spades)
2H(relay) - 3C (5332)
3D(relay) - 3N (5 controls)
4C(relay) - 4H (SA/K, HAK or !HAK)
4S(relay) - 4N (DAK or !DAK)
6C

Here is how the Moscito auction went at the PM-sartaj1 table...

2C 2S
4S Pass

[TWOfer]

I agree with the 2D! = artifical, nmf
[ You need one way to force and others as non-force].

Thus, 2H instead by Responder would be non-forcing showing 5s/4h.

But after 2D! , I agree with the 2H by Opener showing a 5+c/4h as a hand not worthy of a reverse or a 3H-jump ( eventho max for the 2C rebid) since x x x x just barely passes muster as a 4 card suit.

Now, i think Rado covers it best. 2S should be another one round force just in case Opener has 3 cards Sp ( rebidding a 4card H suit is 1st priority), and the 4C-jump bid best shows Opener's "max" hand w/good Cl.

Lifemonster continued best with the 4H! and 4S! cuebids respectively. Now here is where it gets tricky.
After 4S!, if you are playing a European cuebidding system, then 4NT! by Responder ( after 4S) = another Sp cuebid. South ( Opener) then confidently bids 6C knowing his chances are good.

[mishovnbg]

NTC v. 2.50

1CL:10-17,nat/15-20, bal - 2CL:12+hcp, Relay
3SP: 14-17hcp, 6+CL v.g. suit, S/V DI - 4CL: cue bidding start
4SP: C SP, no void DI, no control HE - 4NT: C HE, even KC
6CL: 4KC + Q trump
Misho

[keylime]

Axxxx
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Kx
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KLPV11(Simple scheme) auction:

1C (art, forcing, 16+) - 1H (xfer to spades, G/F)
2C (natural, denies three spades) - 2H (second suit/control)
3C (partner this IS my hand, really!) - 4C (RKC Redwood - like my 5 ctrls)
4NT (2 keycards, queen of trumps) - 5H (partner, I want at least 6C)
5S (got the spade king, does that help?) - 6C (thanks partner ).