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tactics Did I push them into game?

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Posted 2005-August-23, 09:57

Hi!

This hand made me think about best tactics here, my decision led to no good result...

Scoring: MP

Bidding:
pass 1 1 Dbl
Rdbl 2 pass 2! (Cue)
3 pass pass 4
pass 5 all pass

Lead: 3, 11 tricks


Experts, what do you bid with my hand (W)?
1. Rdbl let them too much space for exchange...
2. What about 3 as fit-showing jump although RHO opened 1? That is the bid my partner likes the most because it shows values and fit and takes bidding space. I thought about that before I redoubled, but decided against it because I did not like KQ in front of opener with only 4 cards.
3. I decided also against 3 because imo I have a better than preemptive hand and want to show it.

Judgement is so difficult! *sigh*

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Posted 2005-August-23, 10:00

I think I hate the redouble but I hate the 1 bid more, I think with 7411 East can just bid 4 after all he has a 4 opening in his hand so why not bid 4?
I would have bid 2 instead of XX as a way to invite to 4.
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Posted 2005-August-23, 10:09

i like 2D limit plus. I would also try 4S with the east hand...3S is ok...1 jsut feels wrong
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Posted 2005-August-23, 11:33

i would bid 3 the way i play it is the same way justin plays 2
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Posted 2005-August-23, 13:46

1 is awful choice IMO.

lets see how the bid after 1-(3)-??-(4).
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Posted 2005-August-23, 14:42

Agree 4s not 1s
In general discard 90% of your redoubles and just bid your hand to the limit.
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Posted 2005-August-23, 17:03

I don't think you pushed them to game - they would reach it anyway. Still, redouble isn't good tactics because with a nice fit it's usually better to make some noise. For instance, the 3 fit-bid seems quite nice. The 1 overcall was a few levels below par, but I guess that's a matter of style :huh:
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Posted 2005-August-23, 18:58

Dont like the xx - its vague and usually denies a fit.

If 3 available as a 4 card limit raise, thats best. Seems if opener has to guess to bid clubs at the 4 level (heck I wouldn't :huh: ), thats our best shot at buying the hand in 4.
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Posted 2005-August-24, 02:04

Hi,

4S over 1D, and after that we will see how they cope.

Instead of the RDBL, I would prefer 2D, which shows
the fit and some strength.

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Posted 2005-August-24, 14:38

I can understand the 1, since 4 may work out poorly and no in-between bid makes sense. I would 100% bid 4 at favourable, and would be inclined to do it here, but I do not believe that 1 is awful. The fact that my second suit is plays a role, since it makes their game chances less clear.

I strongly disagree with redouble.

Bidding space is a significant issue, and with the west hand, you can forsee the need to consume space.

Also, for related reasons, I prefer to use redouble to show Hx of where H is A/K (and in some partnerships, may be Q) and some cards but not enough to make any other more descriptive/preemptive bid. This treatment greatly helps partner in leading... if you redouble, he can safely lead from a broken sequence, and if you pass, he knows to lead something else. That is worth the small additional bidding space afforded to the opps by your redouble.

A fit-showing jump, for me, shows 9+ cards in the suits, so I would not do it: and any temptation I have to stretch is reduced by the fact that North opened 1.

So I fall back on whatever shows a good raise: for me, 2, transfer. If unavailable, 2... a cue by a passed hand must logically be based on a fit.

East should 100% bid 4 on this sequence, no matter what N does.

North probably bids 3 anyway, but if playing good/bad, may try 2N and over 4 they may go wrong (but don't hold your breath). The odds are that competent opps will reach 5. However, some imaginative North's might squeak 2, hoping that partner holds 5 or that the moysian plays well. Now we are in business ;)
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Posted 2005-August-24, 14:45

mikeh, on Aug 24 2005, 10:38 PM, said:

you can forsee the need to consume space.

Do you mean foresee as in predict? Spullung iz az dificolt az commas and periods.

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Posted 2005-August-24, 14:51

Redouble would never occur to me with your hand, I have support.

1 would never occur to me opposite a passed hand partner (while it might, if he was an unpassed hand). Being not vul, I would probably bid just overcall 4.

With west, after the negative double, I will trott out whatever is my good raise for the auction so far, although I am a little skeptical that the KQ of diamonds is a great deal for me on this auction.
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Posted 2005-August-25, 01:24

Thank you all for your answers, very helpfull to me! I see now why my RDBL was bad. When I made it, I gave it a longer thought (most of the time the result is worse than a fast decision...), the intention was more or less to pretend another holding to frighten the opps, which was a shot in my own knee. I was too much focused on where the s were and that I had the chef suit to bid on. If I could do it all again, my choice would of course be 2 since we do not play transfer in this situation.
I asked my p (who is a very experienced player) why he did not immediately bid 4: mikeh and he used nearly the same words ;)
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