[mike777]

I found this hand interesting for us players coming back to bridge, I hope you do also.

IMPS VUL

P=1H=P=1S
P=2H=P=3H
P=?

K7=K97642=AKJ=86

What is your thought process and bid?

[Chamaco]

mike777, on Aug 13 2005, 08:11 PM, said:

I found this hand interesting for us players coming back to bridge, I hope you do also.

IMPS VUL

P=1H=P=1S
P=2H=P=3H
P=?

K7=K97642=AKJ=86

What is your thought process and bid?

I would have rebid 1NT insstead of 2H, because the modest quality of the K97xxx suit makes me treat this hand like a 5332 rather than 6322.

It's imps, so we want to bid game, the question is 4H or 3NT ?

The problem is the unstopped club suit.
If pard has clubs decently stoppped, chances are that 3NT is easier than 4H, if not, instead, then 4H should be a better bet...

I willbid 4H, after all , because I might have better chances to discard a club loser on spades if pard turns out with AQ of spades, but I still wish I had rebid 1NT.

A case might be done also for opening directly 1NT with 6322 major (considering the 6322 14 hcp like a 15 count 5332)

[luke warm]

on the bidding (and my hand), partner has nothing in diamonds and very little in hearts, so anything he has that's good enough to invite is in spades and clubs.. i think i'll bid 3nt

[Free]

3NT, partner can still correct to 4♥ if he wants to...

[Chamaco]

luke warm, on Aug 13 2005, 09:29 PM, said:

on the bidding (and my hand), partner has nothing in diamonds and very little in hearts, so anything he has that's good enough to invite is in spades and clubs.. i think i'll bid 3nt

The case not unlikely is that pard has AQ of spades + another ace, and little else.

If that is the case, regardless of which suit is the second ace, a club lead spells trouble on 3NT, since the stopper(s) will be led through.

More generally, IMO the likelihood of 3NT being a good contract will depend on the clubs intermediate (JT98 etc) held by dummy, which we cannot know given this bidding...

[PMetsch]

Hard to tell what the right game is. I bid 3♠ and hope partner will understand that I have bad hearts and some support for spades. Partner may have only a doubleton heart and 5 good spades in wich case 4♠ may be a better contract than 4♥. Without good spades and good hearts, partner should bid 3NT.

[Chamaco]

PMetsch, on Aug 13 2005, 10:26 PM, said:

Hard to tell what the right game is. I bid 3♠ and hope partner will understand that I have bad hearts and some support for spades. Partner may have only a doubleton heart and 5 good spades in wich case 4♠ may be a better contract  than 4♥. Without good spades and good hearts, partner should bid 3NT.

I like this: if anything, if 3NT is going to be the contract, it will be played from the right side.


Possible risks:

1. pard will assume we have 6 hearts and 3 spades and might correct to 4 spades for a 5-2 fit, when it's too late for us to correct to the heart 6-2 fit...

2. even if 3NT is right, pard has probably nothing in diamonds and might avoid 3NT for fear of diamonds unstopped

[PMetsch]

Quote

1.  pard will assume we have 6 hearts and 3 spades and might correct to 4 spades for a 5-2 fit, when it's too late for us to correct to the heart 6-2 fit...

I didn't raise spades earlier but rebid a bad 6card, so I won't have 3good spades (maybe 3 small). He should bid 4spades with 5good ones and then you might make 5spades, 1 heart, 2 diamonds, 1 club and 1 club ruff or someting like that.

Quote

2. even if 3NT is right, pard has probably nothing in diamonds and might avoid 3NT for fear of diamonds unstopped

Maybe partner has the diamonds stopped but not the clubs and bids 3NT

It is similar to the following situation:
1♥ - 1NT;
3♦ - 3♥;
3♠

What does it mean? I think it shows doubt about the final contract (5 not so good ♥, ♣ or ♠ unstopped) and is unrelated to ♠. It is a sort of last train, partner should bid 3NT with 2 small ♥s.

[luke warm]

Chamaco, on Aug 13 2005, 04:56 PM, said:

luke warm, on Aug 13 2005, 09:29 PM, said:

on the bidding (and my hand), partner has nothing in diamonds and very little in hearts, so anything he has that's good enough to invite is in spades and clubs.. i think i'll bid 3nt

The case not unlikely is that pard has AQ of spades + another ace, and little else.

If that is the case, regardless of which suit is the second ace, a club lead spells trouble on 3NT, since the stopper(s) will be led through.

More generally, IMO the likelihood of 3NT being a good contract will depend on the clubs intermediate (JT98 etc) held by dummy, which we cannot know given this bidding...

true, but as fredrick said he knows we have 6 hearts and can correct... he might not tho

[hrothgar]

I'm biding a prosaic 4♥.

If I thought that my suit would run opposite Ax from partner I'd consider 3N. It won't, and there is no guaruntee that partner's trump support is this good.

[the hog]

4H. Obvious. 3NT is masterminding, and 3S should suggest 3 card support with 6H.

[luke warm]

when is a bid masterminding and when is it a choice of games?

[the hog]

He He, good question Jimmy. 3NT will most likely end the auction, despite what some other posters have said. This is taking a huge view in C; I don't mind so much wrong sideing the contract, but gamblng that partner has a decent C stopper - probably 2 - is too much. I don't need to post sample hands, you can work out possible holdings for partner yourself. Suffice to say I agree with R in that the H are not good enough to consider 3N

[han]

4H. I have extra values and we have a heart fit. It is possible (but not very likely I think) that 3NT is better, but I can't find out.

[TheoKole]

I would bid 4 diamonds to describe strength there, and direct partner towards his card holding, I like my hand, especially the fitting K ♠ honor.

If partner signs off in 4 hearts, I'll respect his decision, but if he can stop clubs and has a strong hand he will either cue-bid or ask aces, it is possible that he has a doubleton K ♣ and any slam probably 6NT if not 6 ♥ must be played from his side.

For this reason, I don't want to ask Aces at once, if 6 NT, is the contract, then I want partner to play it with my club holding.

Theo

[HeartA]

4♥.

[luke warm]

The_Hog, on Aug 13 2005, 09:54 PM, said:

I don't mind so much wrong sideing the contract, but gamblng that partner has a decent C stopper - probably 2 - is too much.

ok, that makes sense

[whereagles]

4H for me. Have a very good min and a great card, the spade king.

[sceptic]

Pard never directly raised hearts, so he felt he had to introduce his Spades, then he has shown heart support, not raised to game, which I would have thought was easy to bid as you are vuln, I cant see what purpose there is to bid 3NT here without a club control of your own. as if he was interested in NT he could show clubs or lack of diamond control somehow.

I think showing another major then supporting hearts is not the way to NT

[P_Marlowe]

4H.

Do I have maximum for my advised minimum opener? Yes
Do I have a 9 card fit in a mayor? Yes

WTP?

With kind regards
Marlowe