[flytoox]

coyot, on Aug 15 2005, 12:42 PM, said:

flytoox, on Aug 15 2005, 06:13 AM, said:

Gerben42, on Aug 15 2005, 10:44 AM, said:

Sorry fly, but that is nonsense. With long ♠ you bid ♠ first.
The normal meaning of the bid is asking for Kings. I don't have any so I sign off in 6♥.

Gerben, think about it before you claim it is nonsense. If you have a good heart raise hand, why not show your support first and then bid 4N?

You may thinnk with the hand I gave you can alwasy start with 1S. Is it? Suppose the auction goes:


1H-1S
2D-3C
3H-3S
3N-???

What do you do now? If you bid 4N is it RKC, quantitative inv.? If you bid 4C/4D/4H, is it cue?

After the 3♣ and 3♥ bid, 3♠ says:
Partner, I have pretty good spades, good enough to make them trumps.

If you bid 4 in a minor after 3♥ instead, it is a slam try in hearts, wtp?

With KJT98xxxx, x,x, AK. You would bid same, would not you? What is the point to consult pd if you know what to do?

[coyot]

You can't have a system that fits all cards - and it is better to consult partner when you know what to do than not to consult him when you don't. So, yes, with this hand, I would probably bid the same, knowing that I will correct hearts to spades.

But, giving it deeper thought, I would most likely jump to 4♠ after partner's 2♦ response. Why? I need quite a lot of keycards to make 6♠ - and I'm not really happy with a hand that has singletons in BOTH partner's suits. I am sure that if he sees top tricks and a spade honor, he will say something.

Or I could try the suggested variant with repeated spades (and then cuebidding a minor over 3NT) - that does not promise heart support, whereas a minor oevr 3♥ does.

[Fluffy]

5♠: do you have second or third round control of ♠?.

Answer: yes, thrid, hwo you code this is up to you, I bid 7 with the K, and next step with Q, while return to the fit with neither.

[inquiry]

flytoox, on Aug 15 2005, 08:39 AM, said:

Ben, this cannot be right logically. If pd has heart support, then how on earth can he suddenly find 5N is better than 5H after 4N rkc? If he wants to sign off in 5N then 4N as rkc must be wrong.

Look at my answer, I said 4NT CAN NOT BE RKC for hearts, so don't ask me how partner can have hearts and now want to signoff in 5NT... since he can't have hearts as far as I am concerned.