[barmar]

When someone is a "playing director", I think it usually means they're playing in the same tourney they're directing. I don't think it matters much whether they're using the same account or a different account, as long they're honest about it.

[Brandal]

candybar, on Sep 11 2005, 04:23 PM, said:

Wanna hear another amazing story? Today a TD openly admitted that she was PLAYING on one account while TDing the same tournament on another account.

I didn't think this was even possible, and I certainly can't imagine that it is allowed.

I believe only a few people can be logged on with
more than 1 account.

Doubt your everyday TD can do this,would be a
cheaters eldorado if "anyone" can log on with
different account at the same time....

[Elianna]

Brandal, on Sep 12 2005, 01:08 PM, said:

candybar, on Sep 11 2005, 04:23 PM, said:

Wanna hear another amazing story?  Today a TD openly admitted that she was PLAYING on one account while TDing the same tournament on another account.

I didn't think this was even possible, and I certainly can't imagine that it is allowed.

I believe only a few people can be logged on with
more than 1 account.

Doubt your everyday TD can do this,would be a
cheaters eldorado if "anyone" can log on with
different account at the same time....

That's logged on to the same computer with more than one account.

But anyone can have two computers up and logged into both on a different account for each. BBO can't do anything about it, or else people in the same household would have to take turns logging into BBO, which just seems unfair.

[belladonna]

there been so many posting that imho belong to abuse.
If is 'he say she say' - sry to be blant but i will call it gossip - if is fact maybe the right place to complain is abuse.

I can not see a reason for some of last posting here - really sorry, am far from perfect ,try to do my best - same is true about most td i guess -have a player post here about my ruling - adding
'no wonder players are frustrated with td's' then register to play my tourney again - why? if he so suffer why play my T again?

Is it possible that the player that see only 1/2 glass empty and 'hear' all t strange stories with all his stated knowledge - dsnt know about abuse? I doubt it.

So please I am sorry to give abuse more to deal with - but most of posting that have nothing to do here should be sent to them.

Hope u forgive my english ,pls.

[coyot]

Brandal, on Sep 12 2005, 03:08 PM, said:

candybar, on Sep 11 2005, 04:23 PM, said:

Wanna hear another amazing story?  Today a TD openly admitted that she was PLAYING on one account while TDing the same tournament on another account.

I didn't think this was even possible, and I certainly can't imagine that it is allowed.

I believe only a few people can be logged on with
more than 1 account.

Doubt your everyday TD can do this,would be a
cheaters eldorado if "anyone" can log on with
different account at the same time....

You're definitely wrong

I have two computers at home, both connected to the internet via a smart linux-based box that does DHCP server and firewall etc over my DSL connection. There is absolutely no problem in connecting to BBO on separate accounts over one connection.

In fact, I would recommend to every TD that wants to be playing in his own tournament to do the same - TD with one account and play with another. This will allow him to freely move his TD account between tables, solving problems, while his other account can do the playing duties

Of course, there is the ethical point of view - if you decide to trust the TD that he is not going to cheat, there should be no problem.

Yes, it IS a cheater eldorado all the way down. If you have "kibitzers allowed", there is absolutely NO problem in creating a new account to follow yourself through the tournament from a notebook... as there is absolutely no problem in talking to your partner over ICQ (or shouting accros the flat you both live in ).

I play for fun. Good cheaters are never caught - it's only the bad/stupid/too greedy ones that get caught because they become suspicious. If you're happy with some lucky bidding and lucky guessing, you'll never get caught unless someone runs the bridgebrowser on all your hands to determine that your guess ratio for both-side-finesses is WAY over 50%.

And when it comes to game-tries or other things, it will be even harder to prove that you've cheated.

[Brandal]

coyot, on Sep 13 2005, 05:42 AM, said:

Brandal, on Sep 12 2005, 03:08 PM, said:

candybar, on Sep 11 2005, 04:23 PM, said:

Wanna hear another amazing story?  Today a TD openly admitted that she was PLAYING on one account while TDing the same tournament on another account.

I didn't think this was even possible, and I certainly can't imagine that it is allowed.

I believe only a few people can be logged on with
more than 1 account.

Doubt your everyday TD can do this,would be a
cheaters eldorado if "anyone" can log on with
different account at the same time....

You're definitely wrong

I have two computers at home, both connected to the internet via a smart linux-based box that does DHCP server and firewall etc over my DSL connection. There is absolutely no problem in connecting to BBO on separate accounts over one connection.

I meant two accounts/1 computer,not that it matters
to the outcome

My point being I think i.e. Roland can log on with his
"brothers" having multiple BBO's running for vugraph
purposes?


That's what I meant by only a few people can do this....

Not sure though

[uday]

BBO does some simple checking to try to block the simple case of one pc, one cheater, two logins

We allow these dual logins for some people; email uday@ and explain why you want it if you want it.


There is no problem logging into BBO with multiple sessions from the same network or whatever as long as multiple accounts are used.

[candybar]

I certainly don't have any problem with controlled permissions, but I wonder if you should consider setting some guidelines, like .... not playing on one account in the same tournament you are TDing with a second account.

[barmar]

Are you suggesting not allowing playing directors, or just requiring them to use the same account for playing and directing?

[candybar]

I'm saying that because the TD can see all the hands, to play with one account and be able to see all the hands with another is subject to potential abuse.

I know it's easy enough for the person to say "I don't do that", but (1) if not, then why not just use one account to play and TD, and (2) wherever the possibility exists, the temptation will always exist as well.

[coyot]

candybar, on Sep 14 2005, 02:30 PM, said:

I'm saying that because the TD can see all the hands, to play with one account and be able to see all the hands with another is subject to potential abuse.

I know it's easy enough for the person to say "I don't do that", but (1) if not, then why not just use one account to play and TD, and (2) wherever the possibility exists, the temptation will always exist as well.

I don't think it's worth the fuss to make any official restrictions.

Playing TD is always about trust. The only single case where this restriction would actually prevent cheating would be:
- kibitzers disallowed
- random hands
- individual
- TD does not have 2nd computer at disposal

In all other cases, there would be other ways to cheat, most of them available for non-TDs as well.

There is ONE big reason to ALLOW a playing TD to use two accounts - it allows him to solve problems without having to leave the table he plays at.

So I would strongly suggest leaving things as they are.

[uday]

As long as players know the TD is playing, and with what alias (if two are in play) there isnt a problem. A second alias is very convenient when answering TD calls.

A non-playing TD could throw the match to a friend as easily as he could throw the match to himself as a playing TD. As a player, you can't worry about whether the TD is cheating (beyond reporting him to us if you see anything to suggest that he is).

When people ask for a second account I prefer that they use ids like XXX and XXX2, but I don't currently enforce this rule.

[barmar]

I assume the TD can see all the hands if necessary when he needs to make a ruling, regardless of whether he uses one account or two.

The only concern I can see is that when you're playing against the TD's "other" account, you might not realize that it's the same person. Hence the recommendation to use XXXX and XXXX2 account names, so the relationship is pretty clear.