[xx1943]

Hi all

this hand came up in ACBL-tourney today.
2 pairs bid 7NT, 4 6NT, 4 6♦, the other 13 bid 3NT or 5♦.
Most of the pairs who bid slam were fumbling in the cloud and gambling.

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     1♣
 Pass  1♦    Pass  2♣
 2♠    3♠    Pass  3NT
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

I don't like our bidding but please give me your opinions to the following questions:

1) Would you open 1NT instead of 1♣?
2) Playing StrongJumpShifts had you bid 2♦ as first response?
(this didn't occur to me, since my pd likes to play WJS )
3) What is your rebid after 1♦?
4) I'm sure I should bid 4♦ after 3NT, but how to find then the grand?


Regards

Al

[Walddk]

[P_Marlowe]

1) No
2) No, ... the suit is a little bit to weak, to sell it, as
suit, playable for one looser oppositte a void
3) 2C, what else
4) Pass is an sensible option, at least plaing MP,
playing IMP's it's less clear, but I would still pass
most of the time

Marlowe

[helene_t]

1) Would you open 1NT instead of 1♣?
Yes, I allways open 1NT when it makes sense (and sometimes when it doesn't ). But 1♣ is not wrong.

2) Playing StrongJumpShifts had you bid 2♦ as first response?
Yes I think this is a Lawrence-style SJS: 15-17 one-suiter. I would like to have a more stuffed suit but the extra length makes up for it, I think.

3) What is your rebid after 1♦?
Playing Walsh, I prefer 1♠. But 2♣ is ok.

4) I'm sure I should bid 4♦ after 3NT, but how to find then the grand?
I donno. I would suggest
1NT-6NT

[Fluffy]

1NT-3♦
3♠-4♣
4♠-4NT
5♥-5NT
7♦

It seems you can stablish ♣ even if partner has Axx.




On the other hand..

1♣-1♦
2♣-3♠
3NT-4♦
4♠-4NT
5♥-6♣*
7♦

6♣*= do you have ♣K?

would reach as well.

[inquiry]

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1) Would you open 1NT instead of 1♣?

Yes, but I accept this is not the norm with this distribution, and even some of those who do open 1NT don't do it with small doubleton.

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2) Playing StrongJumpShifts had you bid 2D as first response?

No. I play Soloway (or is it Goldman) jumpshifts, showing suit that can play in slam opposite small stiff, or good suit with support for partner. I lack either of these requirements. And I don't play strong jump shifts anyway.

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3) What is your rebid after 1D?

1S, what is the problem? This promises an unbalanced hand, with clubs and spades. So I ahve a club more and a spade less. I have three really good spades. If partner has four spades, he has a good hand for his 1D response. 1S also allows partner to use XYZ (or fourth suit forcing). Also note, my system specially allows rebids of 1H or 1S on three card suits after 1C-1D as my 1NT rebid here shows 17-19 hcp, but this is not standard. But evne not playing that way, 1S has to be right.

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4) I'm sure I should bid 4D after 3NT, but how to find then the grand?

Ok, staring with your first two choices..

1C - 1D
1S - 3D (where 2D is GF xyz, but 3D is also GF but more distributional hand)
4D - 4H (4H here is kickback)
5C - ?

(so all five keys held, what else do you know? Partner lacks a heart stopper and is not balanced. In addition, partner bid three suits, so likely singleton heart (see why opening 1NT is better?). No need to ask for heart king, but you can ask in spades with a specific suit asking bid (see kantar's RKB book)... which is 5S. Partenr will raise to 6S showing KQ. Now you count your tricks, 7D, 3S, 1H, 2C (partner did not bid 3C with Queen empty suit, surely he has the king).

----- 5S
6S - 7NT
Pass


Ok, that worked well, and easily. What if you had opened 1NT?

1NT - 2NT (diamonds, weak or strong, or weak minor 2 suiter)
3D   - 3S (3C = I like diamonds --bidding same if you bid 3C don't like them)
3NT - 4D (3S weak spades, 4D = Keycard blackwood now, GF)
4NT - 5NT (4NT = 2 keycards, 5NT = specific king ask)
7D  - Pass (5NT promised all key cards, I have K-sxth is clubs, and AKQ of spades, these have to be enough for good play for 7.

At matchpoint 7NT would be bid.

[zasanya]

System :Power Precision (As given by Sontag in his eponymous book )

2 C (11-15 6 carder Club ) 2D (relay )
2 NT (14-15 2 other suits stopped ) 3D (Which suits?)
3 S (S and D) 4NT (Rkcb in C 0nly suitmentioned Clubs
--departure from Sontag)
5 H (2 without C Q ) 7D (Doesnt know Spade posn but can
establish Clubs )

[mike777]

Fluffy, on Aug 5 2005, 10:33 AM, said:

1NT-3♦
3♠-4♣
4♠-4NT
5♥-5NT
7♦

It seems you can stablish ♣ even if partner has Axx.




On the other hand..

1♣-1♦
2♣-3♠
3NT-4♦
4♠-4NT
5♥-6♣*
7♦

6♣*= do you have ♣K?

would reach as well.

I guess all these 4nt bidders know this is blackwood and not signoff in NT after p opens 1nt or rebids 3nt to play. I assume you have no way to play in 4nt esp. at MP?


1nt=2c
2d=3d(game force)
3nt=4h=kickback for D, cannot be long real hearts.
5c=5H=specific king ask, promises all key cards.
etc etc.

[pigpenz]

but if you go and look at about half the tables west bid some sort of interference bid in alot of cases 2♣ cappelletti, showing one suited hand.

so over 1NT 2♣ what would your call be???
considering you have several options

[inquiry]

pigpenz, on Aug 5 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

but if you go and look at about half the tables west bid some sort of interference bid in alot of cases 2♣ cappelletti, showing one suited hand.

so over 1NT 2♣ what would your call be???
considering you have several options

Not even one hand overcalled 2♣'s, did you go look? Over 1NT and 1C there were a couple of 2S bids, and one person bid 2H (both majors) over 1NT.

Over 2♣, regardless of meaning, I play system on, so it would not alter my 1NT-(pass)- auction.

Over 1♣ (which I wouldn't open, but ok, you held a gun to my head), and the next hand bids 2♠, my standard rebid would be 3♦ but playing with misho and other enlightened people, I would would use Equality, but too long to discuss here.

[mikeh]

1. 1N is wrong: too many flaws: a small doubleton is not a problem if the only flaw, nor if the only other flaw were a 5 card major. But a 6 card minor and a worthless doubleton rules out 1N even in matchpoints.

2. 2♦, for me, is never a strong jump shift... I have different agreements with different partners, but even if the strong jump were available, this suit is inadequate.... I would want at least AKxxxxx and would be concerned even with that.


3. 2♣ is the only rebid. Why distort one's hand in a constructive auction? 1♠ may work out, but it is not partnership bridge. Give partner a 4 card ♠ suit and you are in trouble, regardless of whether you play walsh style or not. You can probably kiss both 3nt and any ♣ contract goodbye as final destinations.

4. Over 3♠, 3N seems 'obvious', but is it really? That Kx of ♦ looms awfully large on this auction. Partner has committed to game or beyond, and you have significant extras. Maybe a natural 4N better conveys the values. It cannot be anything but natural in this auction.

As for the 3♠ bid itself, it is close to that or a forcing 4♦. However, since opener might be AQx Kx xx Kxxxxx (as one example), do we really want to force beyond 3N at mps? So I have no quibble with 3♠


In fact, I would not be likely to bid any grand on these hands, and missing grand would not worry me a bit. We have a perfecto, and perfectos are tough to bid with pinpoint accuracy (I was going to say 'with precision', but I see that one poster believes that these hands are ideal for precision)

So I would bid 4N as South and then north has a great hand. He will not want to be declarer, since he cannot know what partner's ♠ holding is, so he jumps to 6N.

[Fluffy]

mike777, on Aug 5 2005, 04:58 PM, said:

I guess all these 4nt bidders know this is blackwood and not signoff in NT after p opens 1nt or rebids 3nt to play. I assume you have no way to play in 4nt esp. at MP?

Of course, what else can 4NT after a cuebid mean?

[EricK]

I wouldn't open 1NT but I wouldn't mind if partner did (especially if he is a better declarer than I).

If playing SJS, I would definitely do it on this hand. Being able to inform partner that game is certain, slam is possible if he has the right minimum, and that the ♦K is a golden card all at the level of 2♦. What a bargain!

After 1♣ 1♦ I would rebid 2♣ although If playing Walsh I have a sneaking sympathy for 1♠ much as I hate bidding 3 card suits if I can avoid it. I think if you are not prepared to rebid 2♣ on a hand like this then you should have opened 1NT.

I think you have got to make a try over 3NT. The obvious bid being 4♦. But this shows why SJS actually save space in the long run. If the hand is a complete misfit, 4NT might just be too high, but if partner has a good fit for you slam is on - it would have been nice to have already informed partner of that before my third bid.

Eric

[Gpm_bg]

Scoring: IMP

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That was for sky club tournament August 1st.
The bids was good but, founding grand slam at 7♥. The score but was interested. 12 Imps, on this on first view very easy to catch this slam on level 7 for 7♣ ; 7♥ ; 7NT.
The bids were :

N E S W
3♦ pas pas (4♦)
pas 4♠ pas 4NT
pas 5♦ pas 7♥

Grand slam is cherry of the bridge, but you need brave and knowledge also )

[Walddk]

Gpm_bg, on Aug 7 2005, 12:35 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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That was for sky club tournament August 1st.
The bids was good but, founding grand slam at 7♥. The score but was interested. 12 Imps, on this on first view very easy to catch this slam on level 7 for 7♣ ; 7♥ ; 7NT.
The bids were :

N E S W
3♦ pas pas (4♦)
pas 4♠ pas 4NT
pas 5♦ pas 7♥

Grand slam is cherry of the bridge, but you need brave and knowledge also )

7♥ and 7NT are not exactly the grand slams you want to be in. 7♣ is.

Roland

[Fluffy]

My bidding would probably be:

3♦-ps-ps-5NT
ps-6♣-all pass