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Today's bulletin reports that the semi final result of 133-128 in favour of Ekeblad over Jacobs is pending an appeal. Does anyone know the hand or the outcome?
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Spingold Semi-Final Appeal anyone know the hand & outcome?
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Posted 2005-July-30, 22:53
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Posted 2005-July-30, 23:03
mrdct, on Jul 30 2005, 11:53 PM, said:
Today's bulletin reports that the semi final result of 133-128 in favour of Ekeblad over Jacobs is pending an appeal. Does anyone know the hand or the outcome?
I think it was hand number 7 of second half. Some issue over 3S x. I do not know all the details.
Not sure if this is the Michaels cuebid that was made and misunderstood by partner and confusion reigned. If I remember right, Fred made the cuebid and P misunderstood for 2 or 3 rounds of bidding.
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Posted 2005-July-30, 23:12
I was watching. RHO opened 1C and Fred bid 2C. LHO doubled for takeout and Moss bid 2D. This was passed back to LHO who doubled again. Now Moss retreated to 3C on 10xx. RHO doubled and it came back to Moss who tanked.
The problem seemed that either Fred or Moss had forgotten their agreement over 1C and must have told the opponents the incorrect information. After a long, long huddle, Moss retreated to 3S which was also doubled. Turns out that 3S can be made but Moss went off one for -200.
RHO may have a valid claim that if he had been informed correctly, he would have passed 3C and allowed Gitelman/Moss to play in their 3/2 fit undoubled. It seems that Gitelman told his screenmate that 2C was for the majors, while Moss seemed to be of the understanding that it was natural and may have told his screenmate the same thing.
The problem seemed that either Fred or Moss had forgotten their agreement over 1C and must have told the opponents the incorrect information. After a long, long huddle, Moss retreated to 3S which was also doubled. Turns out that 3S can be made but Moss went off one for -200.
RHO may have a valid claim that if he had been informed correctly, he would have passed 3C and allowed Gitelman/Moss to play in their 3/2 fit undoubled. It seems that Gitelman told his screenmate that 2C was for the majors, while Moss seemed to be of the understanding that it was natural and may have told his screenmate the same thing.
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Posted 2005-July-30, 23:32
Oh, this is really cute!
If opener would have passed 3C, then there's the issue of partnership agreement about the meaning of Brad's 2 diamond response as well as lho's takeout double after Fred reportedly bid 2C (takeout for what? Fred's theoretically held suits?). Depending on the meaning of 2 diamonds, would Fred have then been mandated to pass 3 clubs, and would this have mattered? (What info did Brad get regarding the double of 2C?)
Would any of you like to be on an Appeals Committee and have to resolve this one? Maybe if your name is Solomon (or the linguistic equivalent).
If opener would have passed 3C, then there's the issue of partnership agreement about the meaning of Brad's 2 diamond response as well as lho's takeout double after Fred reportedly bid 2C (takeout for what? Fred's theoretically held suits?). Depending on the meaning of 2 diamonds, would Fred have then been mandated to pass 3 clubs, and would this have mattered? (What info did Brad get regarding the double of 2C?)
Would any of you like to be on an Appeals Committee and have to resolve this one? Maybe if your name is Solomon (or the linguistic equivalent).
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Posted 2005-July-30, 23:49
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Disclaimer: The above post may be a half-baked sarcastic rant intended to stimulate discussion and it does not necessarily coincide with my own views on this topic.
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Posted 2005-July-31, 00:56
Winstonm, on Jul 31 2005, 12:12 AM, said:
I was watching. RHO opened 1C and Fred bid 2C. ""LHO doubled for takeout and Moss bid 2D"". This was passed back to LHO who doubled again. Now Moss retreated to 3C on 10xx. RHO doubled and it came back to Moss who tanked.
""lho doubled for takeout"". Is this definitely the explanation given of the bid. If yes, then wouldn't there have been misinformation given by both sides. Maybe it was for takeout contingent on the 2C bid being natural, and would've had a different meaning had 2C been explained as having been for majors?
What a mess. Who said what, and exactly how was it stated?
I guess we shall find out soon enough.
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Posted 2005-July-31, 06:43
the only redeeming feature appears to be the fact that fred passed all of moss' bids in tempo... any huddling was done by moss... it's possible that the ac will rule that a pair of e/w experience should have known of the misunderstanding/misfit, but i don't think that holds at the point in time when brad bid 3c
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Posted 2005-July-31, 11:17
Double !, on Jul 31 2005, 01:56 AM, said:
Winstonm, on Jul 31 2005, 12:12 AM, said:
I was watching. RHO opened 1C and Fred bid 2C. ""LHO doubled for takeout and Moss bid 2D"". This was passed back to LHO who doubled again. Now Moss retreated to 3C on 10xx. RHO doubled and it came back to Moss who tanked.
""lho doubled for takeout"". Is this definitely the explanation given of the bid. If yes, then wouldn't there have been misinformation given by both sides. Maybe it was for takeout contingent on the 2C bid being natural, and would've had a different meaning had 2C been explained as having been for majors?
What a mess. Who said what, and exactly how was it stated?
I guess we shall find out soon enough.
The little gray box over the bid said takeout - I believe this was meant as takout of the majors, therefore showing minors. But that's a guess.
Winston
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Posted 2005-August-01, 09:59
Daily bulletin #10 says the results of the semis wer still tentative due to the appeal, which still had not decided as the bulletiin went to press
http://web2.acbl.org...summer/db11.pdf
And Daily Bulletin 11 (the last one) is just a 4 page bulletin with some results of events (photos of the winners of the Spingold) and not much else.
http://web2.acbl.org...summer/db10.pdf
I saw the hand on vugraph in the semis, but I have no idea about the appeal. If anyone knows the details could they please post them.
http://web2.acbl.org...summer/db11.pdf
And Daily Bulletin 11 (the last one) is just a 4 page bulletin with some results of events (photos of the winners of the Spingold) and not much else.
http://web2.acbl.org...summer/db10.pdf
I saw the hand on vugraph in the semis, but I have no idea about the appeal. If anyone knows the details could they please post them.
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