[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2026-October-29, 05:24, said:

I've excluded ♦ and minor orientated hands from my 2♣ and included 4441s.
How would I continue? Possibly
Pass 4441
X penalty
3♦ 6M
3M 5M
3N to play

Not playing waiting 2♦

pass 22-23 bal or primary clubs
X t/o
suits GF

[pescetom]

In the meantime, Jillybean is here:

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I really dislike 4♣. Is East expected to sign off in 4♥ if lacking spades control?

[WasWinM]

steve2005, on 2026-October-28, 22:20, said:

I dont think it's easier with Precision.
You undoubtably are going to get a 1♦ response 0-7 from partner.
Then maybe you get a 3♣ bid by opps
Even if opponent passes you have the same problem you started with
do you bid 1♥ (which for me is forcing with 4+) of do you bid 2♥
Unless partner has a heart fit it will be messy
and you still might have slam with as little as KQ♠ and heart support

The issue of 1C forcing isn't continuations; the purpose is to prevent this auction: 1H p p p.

[WasWinM]

pescetom, on 2026-October-29, 06:45, said:

In the meantime, Jillybean is here:

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I really dislike 4♣. Is East expected to sign off in 4♥ if lacking spades control?

And what do you do if partner bids 4D? There's never going to be a way to find out or let partner know that Q of spades is gold and Q of clubs is doo-doo.

[pescetom]

This thread is getting a bit scrappy, so probably time to present both hands:

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Let the discussion recommence.