[pescetom]

MP

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Your call?

[mike777]

pescetom, on 2026-September-23, 15:14, said:

MP

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Your call?

1C

I have a gadget rebid if partner shows spades or hearts
Will rebid 3Clubs if partner shows diamonds or 1NT

[mw64ahw]

1♣ with a close decision to make on the rebid using a TW approach

[mikeh]

I’m assuming that the next call will provide us with choices. So far, unless playing a non standard methods, this is as simple as it gets

[jillybean]

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tirare fuori le parole con le pinze

[pescetom]

MP

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[P_Marlowe]

3C ?

Unless you play e.g. Gazilli (the route would go via 2C I believe), but playing standard,
what is wrong with showing 6+ clubs and a hand in 15-17 range?

[jillybean]

Another vote for 3♣

[pescetom]

 P_Marlowe, on 2026-September-24, 02:29, said:

3C ?

Unless you play e.g. Gazilli (the route would go via 2C I believe), but playing standard,
what is wrong with showing 6+ clubs and a hand in 15-17 range?

I agree that 3♣ is the standard bid here, but I do think 2♦ is an LA and was curious if any here would choose it. Playing devil's advocate:
- the strength is not concentrated in clubs
- 2D is not a gross overbid and gains almost an entire level of bidding space, plus a strength signal from partner.

[jillybean]

If we were 1246, 2♦ is a better looking LA

This hand is close to 2♦ strength, but the shape and stiff spade don't quite get us there.

[pescetom]

 jillybean, on 2026-September-24, 05:33, said:

If we were 1246, 2♦ is a better looking LA

Whether we are strictly promising 4 card diamonds or not depends upon agreements and style, I think. I like to play that the cheapest reverse is semi-artificial, but even without that I don't have many qualms about reversing into a good 3 card diamonds suit: partner will only raise to 3♦ if he bypassed 4+ cards and has a positive hand.

I agree that the strength is insufficient.

[P_Marlowe]

pescetom, on 2026-September-24, 05:30, said:

I agree that 3♣ is the standard bid here, but I do think 2♦ is an LA and was curious if any here would choose it. Playing devil's advocate:
- the strength is not concentrated in clubs
- 2D is not a gross overbid and gains almost an entire level of bidding space, plus a strength signal from partner.

I dont think there is a difference with regards to the min. req. strength for making a 2D reverse vs. a 3C bid,
the only difference is, that 3C has also an upper bound, 2D is unlimited.

If you play it as semi art., ..., I have no exp., what do you expect p to show.
Semi art. sounds like, tell me more, I am not interested in 4 hearts, not interested in 5 spades,
but I am interested in 3 clubs ..., so maybe why not, but than with 3 clubs from me,
he will know the 6-3, he knowes my min / max.

[DavidKok]

You are all technically correct, but are choosing to phrase this in confusing ways.

It is standard to include single-suited clubs, too strong for a jump to 3♣ (so approximately 18+), into a fake reverse. This makes the 2♦ rebid two-way - either a clubs-diamonds reverse (with 4(+)♦5(+)♣), or a single-suited very strong clubs hand (with 6(+)♣ and 18(+) hcp or so). This hand fails the first conditions on diamond length and the second on strength. Do not mix and match these requirements, this causes confusion.

This fake reverse is not considered 'semi artificial' - there is simply no standard rebid on 1♣-1♥ with, say, ♠x, ♥AK, ♦AJx, ♣AQJxxxx. People might invent 2NT or 3NT, but the default is 2♦.

[jillybean]

David, how strong is 18+? Can we include some single-suited club hands which would have been opened 2♣ into this fake reverse?

1♣ 1M 2♦ fake reverse, another thing to discuss with partners.

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2026-September-24, 05:59, said:

David, how strong is 18+? Can we include some single-suited club hands which would have been opened 2♣ into this fake reverse?

1♣ 1M 2♦ fake reverse, another thing to discuss with partners.

If you think you cannot stand it, when p decides to pass your 3C jump rebid,
without seeing his hand.

[DavidKok]

jillybean, on 2026-September-24, 05:59, said:

1♣ 1M 2♦ fake reverse, another thing to discuss with partners.

It's not just this sequence. 1♦-1♠; 2♥ can also be fake, and the strong jump shifts (e.g. 1♦-1♥; 3♣ or 1♥-1♠; 3♣) can be too. This is simply a system gap in standard that has gradually become a default solution.
Personally I think these system gaps are a lot of fun. For example, let me deal you ♠AQx, ♥KQx, ♦Axx, ♣Qxxx. Nice hand, right? But you're in third, and partner just opened 1♣. Now what?

Anyway, back on the actual topic:

P_Marlowe, on 2026-September-24, 06:07, said:

If you think you cannot stand it, when p decides to pass your 3C jump rebid,
without seeing his hand.

I think this is not quite correct. Since the 3♣ jump rebid starts at 15 or so, partner won't play you for even a moderate 18-count or very good 17-count for that bid. Partner is also keenly aware that 15-counts are twice as common as 17-counts. I think you can not easily afford to downgrade 18-pointers into this 3♣ bid. With single-suited clubs hands in a standard system you simply have to commit now: bid 3♣ and accept it if you miss some easy game, maybe even a 26-point game, or bid the reverse and commit the partnership to game (even if the reverse isn't forcing to game, reverse-then-show-single-suited normally is - though I think more often it gets a deer-in-the-headlights pass, as most strong partnerships have custom agreements for these hands and the rest is selection bias) despite your hand not being quite strong enough for that.
Blast-or-pass isn't that bad, and I insist on clarifying degree of fit and conducting a choice-of-game inquiry along the way (so that blasting 3NT isn't the solution, even if it were to show this hand type). Gaps in standard bidding are always guesswork.

[bluenikki]

DavidKok, on 2026-September-24, 05:52, said:

It is standard to include single-suited clubs, too strong for a jump to 3♣ (so approximately 18+), into a fake reverse. This makes the 2♦ rebid two-way - either a clubs-diamonds reverse (with 4(+)♦5(+)♣), or a single-suited very strong clubs hand (with 6(+)♣ and 18(+) hcp or so).

Then what is your call (on this auction) with 3=1=3=6? If it is 3♣, Does partner show 5-card spades?

[DavidKok]

bluenikki, on 2026-September-24, 06:59, said:

Then what is your call (on this auction) with 3=1=3=6? If it is 3♣, Does partner show 5-card spades?

You've reinvented the Bridge World Death Hand, named for being easy to bid on polls of the Bridge World. A strong hand (Strong NT or up) with a 6(+)cm and 3-card support for partner's major, on the auction 1m-1M.
Are you asking:

• Whether I am aware that this is a system gap in standard?
  
• Which default compromise I find most acceptable without agreements?
  
• What the solution is in my own bidding systems?

[jillybean]

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DavidKok, on 2026-September-24, 06:36, said:

It's not just this sequence. 1♦-1♠; 2♥ can also be fake, and the strong jump shifts (e.g. 1♦-1♥; 3♣ or 1♥-1♠; 3♣) can be too. This is simply a system gap in standard that has gradually become a default solution.
Personally I think these system gaps are a lot of fun. For example, let me deal you ♠AQx, ♥KQx, ♦Axx, ♣Qxxx. Nice hand, right? But you're in third, and partner just opened 1♣. Now what?

I am finding partners with the creativity to see beyond the obvious.

[P_Marlowe]

DavidKok, on 2026-September-24, 06:36, said:

It's not just this sequence. 1♦-1♠; 2♥ can also be fake, and the strong jump shifts (e.g. 1♦-1♥; 3♣ or 1♥-1♠; 3♣) can be too. This is simply a system gap in standard that has gradually become a default solution.
Personally I think these system gaps are a lot of fun. For example, let me deal you ♠AQx, ♥KQx, ♦Axx, ♣Qxxx. Nice hand, right? But you're in third, and partner just opened 1♣. Now what?

<snip>
Blast-or-pass isn't that bad, and I insist on clarifying degree of fit and conducting a choice-of-game inquiry along the way (so that blasting 3NT isn't the solution, even if it were to show this hand type). Gaps in standard bidding are always guesswork.

I would make an inverted minor raise, if I dont have this, I bid 1D, followed by bidding 3NT, the hand is a bit too strong
for a direct 3NT (12/13 ... 15).