[jillybean]

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Bid this with me. I'll force you to make a Jacoby 2nt raise, we can discuss the spade suit later.

[apollo1201]

 jillybean, on 2026-September-03, 09:56, said:

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Bid this with me. I'll force you to make a Jacoby 2nt raise, we can discuss the spade suit later.

I will not be very useful as I do not masterize the follow ups. I am puzzled by showing shortage, nothing more, and then responder has to guess wether to go for slam or not facing an opener that can have anything from 11 to 19. Responder also can start at 12-13.

I am also unsure whether hiding such an importance source of tricks was wise.

Anyway, if 4D just means a control and is not a strong commitment to go higher should partner control clubs, it is probably a good bid. If 4D virtually launches BW when partner controls clubs, it coup be an overbid.

But with 9 trumps at least and a suit that will often generate 4 discards after being ruffed, we could make. 7 minor from partner, one trick lost to opps (a D for instance), 1 cashing (the CA for instance), 1 D trumped in my hand (we might need to pull 3 rounds) and 4 discarded.

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KQxxx
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Axxx

makes even on a C lead (CA, SA, S ruff, 3 rounds of trumps ending in dummy, then 3 clubs and 1 D discarded) and is not an opening. Barring bad breaks of course.

So we shouldnt close the bidding.

Of course partner can have different hands with wasted D honors and weaker trumps.

Maybe bidding our S then splintering in D would take the message across?