[beatrix45]

Scoring: IMP

1 ♠ - Pass - 2 ♥ - Pass -
2 ♠ - Pass - ???

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I am trying to learn 2/1. Sitting south, what is the best bid here?

[mike777]

Best bid has zero to do with 2/1
Best bid has 100% to do with judgement.

What is your bidding plan?

[dogsbreath]

3nt, 4h, 5c and 6c all look possible contracts. 3C looks like a good move. I suppose someone has a cool conventional bid to show a 6-4 game-going hand with void in p's suit

Rgds Dog

[han]

3C seems best in any system.

[coyot]

I'd be less optimistic... partner probably has 6 useless spades Of course I will have to bid 3♣ but unless he bids 3♥, we're likely to end in 3NT and make with some luck...

[han]

coyot, on Jul 22 2005, 10:44 PM, said:

I'd be less optimistic... partner probably has 6 useless spades Of course I will have to bid 3♣ but unless he bids 3♥, we're likely to end in 3NT and make with some luck...

Less optimistic than whom coyot? Haven't seen any optimistic comments so far.

I don't know about your other comment either. If partner rebids 3NT, yes then we will end up in 3NT, but I like our chances! If partner bids 3S then I'm afraid that we'll have to bid 4H, what else? Over 3H (unlikely, as partner does not have Hx) we can bid an easy 4H, and over 3D (what's that?) we bid 3H and see what partner will do.

[coyot]

Hannie, on Jul 22 2005, 10:57 PM, said:

coyot, on Jul 22 2005, 10:44 PM, said:

I'd be less optimistic... partner probably has 6 useless spades Of course I will have to bid 3♣ but unless he bids 3♥, we're likely to end in 3NT and make with some luck...

Less optimistic than whom coyot? Haven't seen any optimistic comments so far.

I don't know about your other comment either. If partner rebids 3NT, yes then we will end up in 3NT, but I like our chances! If partner bids 3S then I'm afraid that we'll have to bid 4H, what else? Over 3H (unlikely, as partner does not have Hx) we can bid an easy 4H, and over 3D (what's that?) we bid 3H and see what partner will do.

Less optimistic that the dog that thinks about 5-6 clubs . The spade wastage looks very unpromising.

Of course, 3NT might make, but I hate playint 3NT with void against p's 6card... he might be void in hearts :-)

[HeartA]

clear 3C to me. will rebid H later if necessary.

[Chamaco]

3C.
If pard bids NT, we do have good chances, because our long suit is solid.
If our hearts were missing a top honor, I would be more inclined to aim to 4H (but I'd still bid 3 clubs at this round)

[whereagles]

The book bid is 3C, but I think I would bid a wierd-looking 2NT. The point is if I bid 3C, I don't think that'll get a support from pard unless he has like 5 cards. If I bid 2NT, it is much more likely pard will bid 3C on, say,

KJxxxx
x
Ax
Axxx

after which it's plain sailing to 6C.

[han]

Unless you have a special agreement about 2NT, it seems like a very bad bid. Not only will it wrongside many contracts, it also gives a completely false picture of your hand. Should partner not bid 3NT now with AQxxxx x Jxx AQx? 4H seems better than 3NT and you will still get there over 3C.

[bearmum]

3♣ for me (I don't NEED to jump as playing 2/1 a GF situation exists) so that P give me more information about his hand his hand, as I still don't know if he is minimum ( eg 11 points with good spades ) or better (eg 15+ with 6 spades and another suit -- in which case anything from 3NT 6 something may be on)

[beatrix45]

Thank you, thank you, thank you all. With your help I have learned the correct bid in this situation. The actual hand was:

Scoring: MP

1♠-P-2♥-P
2♠-P-???

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As you can see, 6♥ is not a bad spot, and makes easily on the existing layout. At the table, I succumbed to fear of my spade void and jumped to 4 ♥ to show the good suit, and that ended the auction. This was an OK result in a matchpoint club game, but figured to be an average minus minus board or losing 5 or 6 IMPs (on average) in a good field.

How do you see the auction developing after the correct 3♣ second round response?

[the hog]

Your partner should have raised 2H to 3. She has an excellent hand in support of H, with AK, A, and a stiff

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on Jul 24 2005, 04:38 AM, said:

Your partner should have raised 2H to 3. She has an excellent hand in support of H, with AK, A, and a stiff

I actually prefer do bid 2S before supporting. Direct support should show a better hand, in the 15-20 range. So 2S is probably better unless, of course, you evaluate the hand to be good enough to show 15+ values.

In any case after the jump to 4H, opener might have trotted out 'old black'. If pard's hearts are so good, then setting up the spades seems a viable possibility.

I don't think East takes all the blame (he would if 6C were missed, though ). West might have made one final try as well. As usual, errors are compounded... lol.

[Gerben42]

2♠ is completely okay. Raising to 3♥ should deny a minimum hand (listen to Keylime's 3rd podcast to find out why). Responder has two suits, so he should bid two suits. Simple, isn't it

1♠ - 2♥
2♠ - 3♣
3♥ = minimum with support

At this point it is not clear that you should go to 6♥. Not bidding it is completely reasonable, but signing off in 4♥ is premature.

[luke warm]

i agree... 3C would be almost automatic for me

[Fluffy]

3♣ seems automatic.

between 2♠ and 3♥ depends on agreements, I would bid 3♥ but know some people that promise 4 cards on this bid.

[P_Marlowe]

3C, I am bidding out my shape, I also believe, that
your partner should have raised to 3H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Double !]

Questions, questions questions. This is the type of post that I like because of the potential for a number of different expert and "less-than-expert" opinions about how to bid such a hand.
I think I understand the reasons for selecting 3 clubs vs. rebidding 3H (forcing), but I want to make sure my interpretations are correct because my initial reaction was to rebid 3H to emphasize the suit and then bid 4C over the anticipated 3NT by opener. Some reference was made to 3C being the "book bid". I'm not sure which book is being referred to as I have seen books that suggest than one rebid a solid 6-bagger, and then show the 4 card suit. After reconsideration, I started to have misgivings about rebidding 3H/2S, especially due to one of the reasons listed below (pessimistic as it might be). So, am I correct in concluding that

1) one reason for selecting 3C is that it provides another potential suit for a slam?

2) that rebidding 3C permits partner to rebid 3NT from the correct side with decent diamonds? (By the way, would 3NT by P show 1 or more diamond stoppers? If 2+ diamond stoppers, what does opener bid with 1 diamond stopper? Would 3D show 1 stopper or none?- a very important partnership agreement issue.) Does the 2S rebid show a minimum as you all play it, or could it be better than minimum?
If p rebids 3D, are you jumping to 4H to imply the suit solidity, or rebidding 3H as it is still forcing? And, which of the these two rebid sequences would tend to show the better hand, better than an initial rebid of 4H?

and 3) most importantly, rebidding 3C prevents getting to 4H off the ace of clubs and 3 quick diamonds opposite something like AKQxxx, x, Jxx, Qxx? (The potential for getting overboard on a hand such as this seems to me to be the most compelling reason for rebidding 3C.)

Or, are there some other reasons that I am missing here (excluding esoteric systems and rebids such as bashing 2 or 3 NT)?
Thank you in advance. I really appreciate the feedback re why so many selected 3C, especially if the reasoning differs from what I listed above.

DHL