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#1 User is offline   sceptic 

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Posted 2005-July-25, 12:44


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 Pass  1♦    1♠    2♥
 Pass  3♥    Pass  3♠
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  4♣
 Pass  4♦    4♠    4NT
 Pass  5♦    Pass  5♥
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

A few questions here please I am south


does my 5 heart bid ask partner to bid 6 if they have 3 keys (we were playing 1403 keycard

what do you think of my 3 spade bid?

how forcing was 4 clubs and what should it show

any other comments
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Posted 2005-July-25, 12:56

sceptic, on Jul 25 2005, 01:44 PM, said:


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 Pass  1♦    1♠    2♥
 Pass  3♥    Pass  3♠
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  4♣
 Pass  4♦    4♠    4NT
 Pass  5♦    Pass  5♥
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

A few questions here please I am south


does my 5 heart bid ask partner to bid 6 if they have 3 keys (we were playing 1403 keycard

what do you think of my 3 spade bid?

how forcing was 4 clubs and what should it show

any other comments

1) Yes
2) fine
3) game force, your partner should bid 4clubs over double, not pass.
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Posted 2005-July-25, 13:03

5h asks for the heart Q to play 6.
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Posted 2005-July-25, 23:16

"Does my 5H bid ask partner to..."

You know partner has 3 keycards. Since partner can't really have the diamond king, bid 6H. Asking this question is trying to blame partner for a mistake you made. I play 5H ask forcing if partner has 3 aces (asking for queen), but I would not risk this when undiscussed. If you had discussed this, you wouldn't be asking.

"What do you think of my 3S bid"

Good!

"How forcing was my 4C bid?"

In such an auction, any bid below 4H is forcing. 4C looks good to me.

"Any other comments?"

If you know where you want to play, bid it. Don't give partner a chance to go wrong, especially if you haven't discussed a particular bid.
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Posted 2005-July-26, 01:09

Hi,

5H asks partner to bid 6H, if he holds 3 key
cards. Holding 3 key cards is the best partner
can have hoped for, after he pulled out 4 NT,
i.e. passing 5H says: partner is an ....,
he always uses 4 NT, even if is not appropriate.

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Posted 2005-July-26, 05:28

luis, on Jul 25 2005, 07:03 PM, said:

5h asks for the heart Q to play 6.

We use 5♠ for this, solves a lot of possible missunderstandings, do you really use 5♥?
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Posted 2005-July-26, 05:45

Fluffy, on Jul 26 2005, 01:28 PM, said:

luis, on Jul 25 2005, 07:03 PM, said:

5h asks for the heart Q to play 6.

We use 5♠ for this, solves a lot of possible missunderstandings, do you really use 5♥?

5♠ as an invite for 6♥ is not so practical. <_<

Play kick-back or Turbo-4NT if you want a solution to this problem. Which you might not want that badly. There are more important things in life than your number of keycardse
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Posted 2005-July-26, 05:54

No offence intended, but is this not a Beginner and Intermediate Bridge Discussion Forum? May I suggest that you spend more time on what a 1♠ rebid shows on an auction like

1♦ - 1♥
1♠

1. Point range?
2. Length in diamonds and spades?
3. How many hearts?
4. Balanced or unbalanced?

Back to basics, yes, but what's wrong with that? Save the sophisticated conventions for later ... much later! Free piece of advice.

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Posted 2005-July-26, 06:15

I agree, Roland. There are more important things in life, such as the example you just gave.

However, the question asked in this topic was about asking for the queen of trumps. (Well actually it wasn't I now realize).

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Posted 2005-July-26, 06:22

sceptic, on Jul 25 2005, 08:44 PM, said:

any other comments

I was merely commenting on Wayne's last point. So yes, this is my opinion. Excuse me, but answers to the other questions he asks would be much too difficult for beginners and intermediates to comprehend anyway. Most advanced players and a few self-proclaimed experts are in the same boat.

Again, no offence intended.

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Posted 2005-July-26, 10:14

Fluffy, on Jul 26 2005, 11:28 AM, said:

luis, on Jul 25 2005, 07:03 PM, said:

5h asks for the heart Q to play 6.

We use 5♠ for this, solves a lot of possible missunderstandings, do you really use 5♥?

You can't use 5♠ to ask pd for a queen to play 6 because you are already in 6.
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Posted 2005-July-26, 12:14

Why is 5 of the trump suit asking to bid 6 if you have the Queen of trumps?

If you play that way, then how do you sign off in 5? (which admitedly isn't that likely)


Note: Wests double of spades didnt help his side. Better to jump to 4 Spades to kill your cue bidding space.
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