[Fluffy]

Scoring: IMP

N - E - S - W
1NT-2♥-2NT-ps
3♣-ps-??

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1NT= 15-17
2♥=majors
2NT= lebensohl.

[luis]

I think I would bid 5♣

[whereagles]

This is a guess, but using LTC it's a 7 loser hand opposite pard's statistical 4 cover cards. That's still 3 losers, so I pass.

[mike777]

5C.

[Double !]

I suggested Pass based on the fact that lho didn't take any action over my Leb bid as well as the fact that I have no assurance than partner doesn't have a number of his/her values in the majors. Anything else seems to be taking a view at this point. Yes, it could be a miracle hand where opener has AQ of clubs and 3+ outside tricks or some super diamond fit. What system are the opps playing? Is it likely that they will face the same situation as you? Is this likely to be a swing hand/ do you wish to make this hand a swing hand?

[flytoox]

I pass. Even if I miss a makeable 5C I willnot regret. More likely LHO is playing a waiting game.

[mike777]

flytoox, on Jul 25 2005, 03:57 PM, said:

I pass. Even if I miss a makeable 5C I willnot regret. More likely LHO is playing a waiting game.

Not sure if we are Waiting for Godot or the Endgame?

We are vul, this is imps I am just bidding the darn game and not waiting .

[flytoox]

mike777, on Jul 25 2005, 09:27 PM, said:

flytoox, on Jul 25 2005, 03:57 PM, said:

I pass. Even if I miss a makeable 5C I willnot regret. More likely LHO is playing a waiting game.

Not sure if we are Waiting for Godot or the Endgame?

We are vul, this is imps I am just bidding the darn game and not waiting .

Call me wimp. But I dont think you have much chance to make 5C. I dont bid 5C simply because RHO pushed me. WIthout 2H, I would just txfer to 3C and pass. Now I do the same.

I could be wrong but it is not the first time and wont be the last time either.

If you realize the risk of 5C and still bid it, I respect it.

If you just get pushed and think 5C is a sure game. Well...

[HeartA]

pass of course

[mike777]

flytoox, on Jul 25 2005, 04:38 PM, said:

mike777, on Jul 25 2005, 09:27 PM, said:

flytoox, on Jul 25 2005, 03:57 PM, said:

I pass. Even if I miss a makeable 5C I willnot regret. More likely LHO is playing a waiting game.

Not sure if we are Waiting for Godot or the Endgame?

We are vul, this is imps I am just bidding the darn game and not waiting .

Call me wimp. But I dont think you have much chance to make 5C. I dont bid 5C simply because RHO pushed me. WIthout 2H, I would just txfer to 3C and pass. Now I do the same.

I could be wrong but it is not the first time and wont be the last time either.

If you realize the risk of 5C and still bid it, I respect it.

If you just get pushed and think 5C is a sure game. Well...

"fought the Law"

13-2-0=11 tricks
13=total tricks
2=combined length 2 shortest suits between hands
0=assume 19-21 working HCP=zero WP adjustments.

We know we got 20-22 hcp
Do we have 19 working HCP?
16-18=-1
13-15=-2

[coyot]

I would probably bid 4♣.

True that I would normally transfer to clubs and pass, but the bidding has given me some indications - the probability of wastage in majors is lower.

I expect partner to raise to 5 with top honors in majors and middle honors in minors and pass if otherwise. Given the IMP vul state, I simply must try.

[flytoox]

coyot, on Jul 26 2005, 09:02 AM, said:

I would probably bid 4♣.

True that I would normally transfer to clubs and pass, but the bidding has given me some indications - the probability of wastage in majors is lower.

I expect partner to raise to 5 with top honors in majors and middle honors in minors and pass if otherwise. Given the IMP vul state, I simply must try.

On the contrary, I think the chance that pd has waste card in majors is high. LHO didnot raise to 3H, RHO didnot rebid 3H. Where are the heart cards?

RHO rates to have 4621. Pd might have 4423/4432. As you can see, diamond will not break. If you plan to ruff diamond in dummy, you will be overruffed.

[Gerben42]

Pass looks clear. No need to write minus on a voluntary basis. Of course partner COULD have the perfect hand that causes 5m to make, but normally he doesn't.

[Al_U_Card]

I like 4C for the preemption as well as the potential that it holds. Pard will know what you are up to.....

[luis]

Al_U_Card, on Jul 26 2005, 07:03 PM, said:

I like 4C for the preemption as well as the potential that it holds. Pard will know what you are up to.....

What preemption? They are not bidding anything else in this hand. They didn't bid 3♥ over 2NT they are not bidding it once you have shown your suit.

I wonder how is pd going to evaluate what to do over 4♣ when should he bid 5 and when should he pass ? That's why I don't like the bid we may pass 3♣ or we may bid 5♣ but I don't think pd is in a better position to decide.

[Al_U_Card]

Just looking at the hand says bid one more for the road as you have way too much playing strength and zip defensive values. They have a double fit in the majors and besides, who ever bids over top of the 2NT? They always wait to see if you will make the weak bid before venturing a call. So, passing the 3C gets 3H or whatever. 4C is too low for them to penalty double but 5C will likely go down 1 too many unless pard has the hand he needs to take 4C to 5....

[Fluffy]

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I bid 4♣ wich I suposed had to be an invitational (as bidding 3♠ after a leb normally is), with the peculiarity of not having any intention to play NT, therefore I guess 4♣ should be something like 7321 or alike.

Partner of course didn't understand, and tried to play 4NT, when he bid 4NT I was fully sure of not making 5♣, so I passed 4NT in the hope or scoring just -300 or -400 .

But West doubled, and then I runned to 5♣, ,wich again was doubled, but East led ♦A, wich meant only -200 this time.

[mike777]

RHO showed 2 suited in the majors?
LHO with 7 cards in the majors and an outside ace passed?
Director, lack of full disclosure of partnership agreements(implicite as well as explicit) here?

[Al_U_Card]

Looks like West has a pretty clear 3H bid over the 2NT but as I said, they never bid right away over the 2NT. Guess this pard liked his max but the opp bid pretty well limits the trick taking potential of his hand so a pass of 4C (undoubled) would be the sensible thing....

[mike777]

Al_U_Card, on Jul 27 2005, 10:24 AM, said:

Looks like West has a pretty clear 3H bid over the 2NT but as I said, they never bid right away over the 2NT.  Guess this pard liked his max but the opp bid pretty well limits the trick taking potential of his hand so a pass of 4C (undoubled) would be the sensible thing....

Agree, seems like bidding 5clubs directly over 2H may be better than worrying if our LHO will pass over 2nt to see if partner can play clubs. If we bid boldly there may be no double.

Also note half of RHO points are outside the bid suits, oh well.
Note more than half of LHO points are outside the double fit in the majors, oh well.

Perhaps next time the opp points will be in the double fits?